Islamofascists and the BNP, the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea

Watching the shocking (if it could really be called that) news last week  that – for the first time in its miserable history – the far-right British National Party had won two seats in the European Parliament, I found myself experiencing strangely (and worryingly) ambivalent feelings. 

Having been brought up on a staple Holocaust diet – many of my parents’ friends, and of my childhood friends’ parents, were survivors – I don’t feel that I require a refresher course in the dangers posed by the far-right. 

Nick GriffinAnd, however much he might be trying to re-brand himself, BNP leader Nick Griffin (right) is clearly a vile Nazi low life. He has tastefully referred to the Holocaust as “the Holohoax”, and even criticised fellow Holocaust denier David Irving for . . . wait for it . . . admitting that up to four million Jews might have died: “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat.” 

But, as a Jew, a Zionist and an Israeli, and as an Englishman, but most of all as a human being – valuing life and freedom above all else – I am also sickened by, and fearful of, the cancer-like spread of Islamofascism. 

British Police Go To HellOn July 7, 2005 (7/7), four young British Muslims – all but one of whom were also born in the UK – blew themselves up on London Transport, killing 52 innocent civilians and injuring over 700 more. A similar attack, 14 days later, which would have murdered and maimed on an ever larger scale, failed only because the bomb maker couldn’t add up. Since then, only the supreme efforts of Britain’s police and intelligence services have thwarted further atrocities by Islamofascists. 

And, on a daily basis in mosques across Britain, supposed religious leaders are feeding their congregants with hate and inciting them to murder their fellow Britons. (The oft-heard argument that not all British Muslims support such activities is, of course, true . . . but it is also a “red herring”, used to avoid confronting the reality of the significant numbers who do.) 

As far as I can tell, the BNP is the only political group in the UK sufficiently untainted by “political correctness” to be openly taking a stand against this “enemy within”, which seeks to undermine not only the British way of life . . . but the very foundations of the State in which it chooses to live. 

Abu HamzaOne evening, some years back (before 7/7), I witnessed BNP supporters protesting outside a central London mosque where a “hate preacher” – Abu “the Hook Man” Hamza (right), Abu Qatada, Omar Bakri Muhammad, Abu Izzadeen, or one of their repulsive, poisonous ilk – had been praising the perpetrators of 9/11. The BNP was the only presence there. 

In such circumstances (and however worrying), is the BNP’s growing appeal in the hearts and minds of the British public – as demonstrated by last week’s election results – truly that “shocking”? 

Committed anti-fascists aside, the “rent a mob” which pelted Griffin with eggs outside Westminster on the day following the results consisted of the same wrong-minded muppets who demonstrated against Israel during its war of self-defence, earlier this year, following eight years of Hamas missiles. 

And even that supposed bastion of Britishness, the BBC Wind-Up Service – which, due to some personal inadequacy, I still listen to on my drive to and from work – pursues the most shamelessly sycophantic Muslim-friendly agenda: hardly a day goes by without some fascinating documentary/panel discussion on Qatari lesbian poets, or suicide bombers who love only Allah more than their hamsters. Producers seem to be anticipating the imminent implementation of Sharia law at Bush House, and putting themselves in a position to say “But I was okay!” 

Union Jack of the Future?

The Union Jihad . . . of the Islamic Republic of Great Britain?

Britons need to wake up, retract their tongues from Muslim holey places, and – if they can overcome the vile stench of hate – smell the arabica . . . before it is too late. 

Make no mistake, the BNP – the successor to the National Front of the seventies and eighties – might have swapped their skinheads for suits, but they are the same fascist scum. And one can only imagine the horrors that they would perpetrate, given half the chance, on all those whom they does not consider truly “British”. 

The danger posed by the BNP, however, is primarily hypothetical. And I reject accusations of complacency in this regard – the British will never be Germans. 

The threat posed by Islamofascists, on the other hand, is real and terrifying. Another calamity for the Jews, or for any other “infidels” for that matter, will be perpetrated by a bin Laden or an Ahmadinejad . . . not an inbred nothing like Griffin. 

I fear for Britain’s future no less than I fear for Israel’s. Whilst the threats here are rather more existential in nature, Britain, and especially England, will – in twenty or thirty years’ time – be entirely unrecognisable from the “green and pleasant land” where I grew up. 

The British, to my (biased) mind, represent the very the best of Europe – although, it has to be said, the competition is not great – and I genuinely despair for them and their proud constitutional democracy. 

So, I don’t blame any Britons who voted BNP in last week’s election. Indeed, it says much for British temperance and rectitude that – with the creeping Islamisation of their land, and the moral bankruptcy exposed in their politicians by the recent MPs’ expenses scandal – they didn’t give the BNP more mandates.

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96 responses to “Islamofascists and the BNP, the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea

  1. “The British, to my (biased) mind, represent the very the best of Europe”

    Not at all.

    According to Abba Eban’s book, My People, it was arguably the British who initiated the blood libels in Norfolk & Lincolnshire before exporting them to Europe.

    The expulsion of Jews from Britain, followed by a three and a half century gap before readmission, meant that British acts of anti-semitism were put on hold during that time.

    This was not the case in Europe (the bit on t’other side of the Channel & the North Sea) whose anti-Jewish tactics grew during the same period.

    In short Europe’s Jew haters are more experienced than Britain’s.

  2. Bloody hell, (ever brave) Anon . . . I am talking twenty-first century . . . not twelfth!

  3. and how seemingly little have attitudes changed in the ensuing period?

  4. I write to you whilst (paradoxically) enjoying a plate of chips and a beer on the beach.

    The problem at the moment seems to be that patriotism seems to have been confused with nationalism and its evil twins “xenophobia” and “racism”.

    It’s not confined to England however, one only needs to see certain attitudes on both sides of the conflict here to realise that prejudice and hatred is always easier when we hate those on the other side of the proverbial fence.

  5. Anon, as a practising – or even merely identifying – Jew forced to live in Europe today, where would you choose rather than the UK?

    And would you rather have to deal with the French, Germans, Dutch, Belgians, Swiss, Austrians, Spanish, Greeks, Turks, or anyone in the former Eastern bloc . . . than the British?

    And no stupid answers!

  6. Mixed Anglo Saxon and Celtic lineage allows this poster to communicate more easily with his Anglo Saxon, Scottish, Irish (although I don’t speak Gaelic) counterparts. In Ireland maybe.

    Family considerations would play a big part in the decision.

    On the other hand, having been on the receiving end of vile anti-semitic attitudes with previous employers, I’d prefer to live in a place which has (or has had) a reputation for treating its Jews better. Maybe Denmark.

    Again, the nations of Europe you mention have more experience in Jew hating than the UK. That’s not to say that the Brits are any less anti-semitic by nature.

  7. Winston the Smithy

    Hello Melchett Mike,

    I added you to my blog listings the other day. I have an application called sitemaster and it allows me to look at referrals to my website and yours popped up. I popped over today and I had a read, having noticed that someone had found my site from yours. I’ve just replied to your post. It is a little long so I’ll leave it for your private viewing.

    I think you and I are not so different other than you’re an Englishman and Jewish and I’m a Scotsman, agnostic (although brought up Scottish Presbytarian) with an English mother, a Scottish father, a wealth of British heritage comprising all the 4 Nations as well as Southern Irish and Viking blood in me too.

    I have read your article, it’s good and it was the main background for my reply to you.

    Best wishes,

    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

  8. I couldn’t agree more (with Mike) – though it’s a rocky road and 900,000 voters is an awful lot. There needs to be a big wake up call or else we will soon see the Muslim Fundamentalists with seats in HOP (under a new mooted PR system) and then what? Right, I’m off down the Polski Sklep.

  9. Mike, I posted this on the ABE Booksellers forum. Hopefully you will be hearing from a number of sick, bleeding heart, bookselling apologists for Islamofascism here, and if not, I will try to post their blatherings from the (members only) ABE site for your fans here.

  10. Anon,

    As if on cue, to disprove your point, the Irish – though the UK ones, admittedly – show their credentials for tolerance . . .

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8104287.stm

    As you may know, I also have Irish roots.

  11. Mike,

    I meant to say Eire not Belfast. Too many meshuganes in Northern Ireland.

    In a few weeks or so, it will be time again for the annual nonsense that gets referred to as ‘the 12th.’ People in the UK seem to know more about ‘the 12th’ than their Irish counterparts. Too many empty heads around, or as the Capital city rate payers say . . .

    ‘It’s grim up north.’

  12. Hi Mike, interesting piece (as always), but spoiled by the spelling errors or typos you let creep in “schocking” (not sure if that was meant to be follow by a sic) and “holey”… probably just a sign that you were rushing to post it.

    Anyway, always a pleasure to read your blog.

    AJ

  13. Re “schocking”, thank you, AJ! I pride myself on my spelling. There is a street in TA called Schocken. I blame it on that . . . and on staring at the screen for too long!

    Re “holey”, however, that was an intended – if not particularly intelligent! – pun: “Britons need to . . . retract their tongues from Muslim holey places”. Geddit?!

  14. I made the mistake (although it was otherwise a good night out) of watching the film ‘looking for eric’ last sunday. It was directed by a leftist anti -semite (yet another), ken loach.

    http://www.theparliament.com/latestnews/news-article/newsarticle/eu-wide-rise-in-anti-semitism-described-as-understandable/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach

    Loach also joined “54 international figures in the literary and cultural fields” in signing a letter that stated, in part, “celebrating ‘Israel at 60’ is tantamount to dancing on Palestinian graves to the haunting tune of lingering dispossession and multi-faceted injustice”. The letter was published in the International Herald Tribune on 8 May 2008.

    Responding to a report, which he described as “a red herring”, on the growth of Antisemitism since the beginning of the crisis in Gaza, he has said: “If there has been a rise I am not surprised. In fact, it is perfectly understandable because Israel feeds feelings of anti-Semitism.” He added “no-one can condone violence”.

    A couple of years ago, Rabbi YY Rubenstein was appealing to community leaders to take a more active approach against this lot. Something along the lines of the anti-defamation league. Well?

  15. Don’t you read Mook of the Month, Anon? Shame on you!

    Teach you for going to see a film by a C*nt about a C*nt who played for Scum.

  16. Shame on me shame on me.

    I’ve been to Elland road on 2 occasions and my memory of those games was that the crowd (both home fans & away fans) were all chanting, ‘Scum’ in unison at each other…..

    It started out as:

    We hate manu and we hate man u, sum, scum, scum, scum

    We all hate leeds scum, we all hate leeds scum etc

    then it descended to just, scum, scum, scum, scum, scum.

    Of course you wouldn’t have thought the leslie ash bedding french man was a c*nt, this time 17 years ago.

  17. “The danger posed by the BNP, however, is primarily hypothetical. And I reject accusations of complacency in this regard – the British will never be Germans.”

    Here’s a quick refresher course. Who would have thought an Austrian born barn pot of a lance corporal (‘y’mach shemoh’- delete the name) would have risen to power in what was arguably the most advanced, developed and multi-cultural nation in Europe at the time. Germany was the country that helped drag Europe out of the dark ages during the dawn of the enlightenment/Haskalah. Only to unleash as Abba Eban put it, “the most destructive and violent torrent of hate that had ever afflicted any family of the human race.”

    The British will never be Germans? Considering the Royal family’s German lineage and the British, Saxon heritage. Plenty of people conclude that they already are.

    True enough, the danger posed by Islam fascists is terrifying. That said, as regard the Union Jihad, bare in mind that Britain has not been invaded successfully since 1066. Britain is an island, its inhabitants have great fighting spirits (remember many brits are descended from hairy assed Vikings who liked nothing more than to pillage a village) and are willing defenders of it.

    The medieval Norman invaders of 1066 were way ahead of their time and set about reorganizing the Country once they’d taken it over. To say that the Arabs are (I use the words Arab and Moslem interchangeably at times – looking through history the main goal of the founder(s) of Islam was a United Arabian peninsula) capable of invading the UK successfully and running it would be giving them way too much credit. The backwardness of that people would result in the nation having to revert to living in tents and caves, possibly.

    On the other hand, it’s this poster’s opinion that the BNP threat would become way more than hypothetical should the economic recession in the UK do a similar damage to the damage of the German economy in the 20’s and 30’s which was a catalyst for the nazi’s (y’mach sh’mom – may their name be blotted out of history) rise to power. Across the water, Oswald Mosley had many backers among the Daily Mail reading Oxfordshire classes. The UK economy was stronger however as it did not have reparations to pay, avoided hyperinflation and in the longer term staved off the real fascist revolutionary threat.

    The quicker the economy recovers without the fascists the safer the world will be. Now where did I put my siddur/prayer book?

  18. Mike, there are now over 63 responses to your BNP piece on ABE Books. Apparently they are reading the cut and paste I did of it, which is why you are not seeing their “hits” in your statistics.

  19. Hello Yosef,

    Please could you post a link to the ABE books responses.

    Thanks

  20. Winston the Smithy

    Hello again Mike,

    I see no choice but to vote BNP at the next election for the first time. You really think that the Conservatives or should I say the Social Democrats, Labour or the Liberals are going to do anything about Islam? More importantly what about Europe?

    We have a truly dire situation in the UK where the entrance to the political elite of the Lab/Con/Lib parties within Westminster means to totally ignore the dangers posed to the UK. We the British people had multiculturalism forced upon us. The Irish in Belfast have now rioted because of forced multiculturalism and they WILL take no more from the politicians ignoring them, or else the IRA will start getting involved again, along with the many old Anti IRA organisations who cleaned up the streets with ‘their’ law.

    I have written so many times on this I’m not going into it again, but safe to say the Main three parties do not see the dangers, because they’re too interested in the opportunities for themselves and the lavish lifestyles they can achieve. In a nutshell our politicians are in it for themselves, have no love of the country they are there to protect and show this with their continued adoption of social liberalism which is going to end up in a situation far worse than anything the world has seen. When the British people eventually decide enough is enough, there will be bloodshed and lots of it. This will also spread throughout Europe. It will make Yugoslavia look like a picnic compared to what will happen over the next 20/30 years.

    There is no Conservative, Labour anymore who are Nationalists. All we have is Socialists, infiltrated with Marxists that will eventually metamorphose into another Communist party and state. No one can see this, because our establishments over the years have quite happily dumbed down education and hiked up control by the media. Who cares what’s going on when you have a job, Big Brother, MacDonalds and football? Take them away though and watch what happens.

    Best wishes,

    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

  21. Winston the Smithy,

    If you’re against multiculturalism then what do you call the UK acts of union?

    Multiculturalism is not some Marxist, nu-labour, half baked idea; it’s in fact an idea, which dates back to the ancient Greeks. A tactic used by Alexander the great to consolidate his empire. Multiculturalism is part of democracy (demos = people and kratein = to rule) and has been for millennia.

  22. Hi Winston,

    Good having you on melchett mike! Your blog, The Destruction of Britain, was recommended to me by my cousin for saying it “as it is”.

    In relation to my ancestry, I am also half-Irish (my father was born in Dublin) . . . though, as three of my grandparents were born in Eastern Europe, while the fourth arrived in England as a young child, I don’t really know what I am!

    I emigrated to Israel as a Zionist, and because I never really felt any true sense of “belonging” in, or “connection” to, the UK – I always viewed my nationality as somewhat of an accident of birth and, seeing as neither Poland nor Lithuania were ever realistic options(!), Israel seemed to best represent who I am (I intend to post on my rather ambiguous sense of identity some time soon.)

    Whilst I sympathise with the views expressed on your blog, I draw the line at support for the BNP. As a Jew, I could never vote for a party with its origins, philosophy, or a leader like Griffin – however much he now tries to accord himself a veneer of respectability, I don’t believe that his views on Jews, the Holocaust, or race in general, are any different from what they were in the past.

    What I tried to put across in my post (above), however, is that – in view of the growing Islamofascism in Britain, Europe and the world – support for the BNP doesn’t surprise me.

    Even if I was “ethnically” English/British (whatever that means), however, I would like to think that I would have enough sense of what is right (excuse the pun) to fight for another, non-racist, alternative . . . though, in such circumstances, I might have found the BNP’s appeal rather harder to resist, seeing as such “alternatives” – as you point out – don’t seem to exist!

    Best,

    Mike

  23. Winston the Smithy

    Anon,

    The UK Acts of Union between Scotland and England is nothing whatsoever like the forced multiculturalism of the UK today. Look at the Scots people (a Celtic tribe from Northern Ireland) whom came across circa 300/400AD who mixed in with the predominately GAELIC/CELTIC culture of the then Caledonia. The Scots mixed in with other Celtic peoples and of course the Picts. Now look at England at the time and the Celtic peoples living there? The influx of Angles and Saxons from Germania was not so different to the culture of the Celtic peoples, not also forgetting being of the same race. More so, Britain became a Christian country over time.

    Multiculturalism IS a tactic of Marxist Theory with which to utterly obliterate a country. Pile as many people in from other cultures, in order to dilute and eventually destroy the predominant culture of that land. Are you really trying to say to me that dropping Africans or Asians into another land is not going to have an effect of that dominant culture, especially when it’s suffering under Liberal belief of self immolation?

    And why on earth are you bringing in a translation of Democracy? I know very much what democracy is and had there BEEN democracy in the UK the forced multiculturalism within the UK would never, ever have happened. The movement of people to the UK from other cultures has been going on for a long time, but more importantly those peoples have integrated. Integration being a one way thing not a two way thing as many people like to see as it is today. Integration is not two way, but Islam seems to think so. That is if you know about Islam.

    Any country that allows uncontrolled immigration from alien cultures and worse still allows them not just to grow but to give them positions of authority when they are alien to that culture is madness and cultural suicide. In this constant stream of immigration into the UK by peoples from far inferior cultures and societies from the 3rd World is only bringing about the destruction of a first world country. There is nothing a 3rd or a 2nd world country can bring to the UK to better it. And please, don’t talk about labour because if you knew your economics, cheap imported foreign labour undercuts indigenous workers and keeps the minimum wage static as it has been in the UK for the last 20 years. The movement of peoples from outside Europe from alien cultures will utterly obliterate the UK.

  24. Winston the Smithy

    Hello Mike,

    Good to be on. As you can see I’ve just replied to anon above so I will pass by and answer my critics. I would also like to say hello to the people of Israel as well who follow your blog. I’m a libertarian and believe everyone should have a voice and freedom of speech and thought should always be sacrosanct. It doesn’t matter how repulsive that person’s view are, but then I’m old school in my mentality in that if you really wish to insult me you’d better be prepared for swift rebuttal and if I feel like it a devastating left hook.

    I support the Israel state, not just for historical reasons, as it has far more right than Muslim land around it, but also because if they can create a Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq after the defeat of the Ottomans in the early 19th Century then they have to create an Israel. Moreso, as I’ve said, Israel should really be the only country occupying all that territory quite frankly. As many will know, all of these lands, in that area were of their own cultures, whether that be pagan, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian or whatever before that is the Muslims came and oppressed them.

    As regards to what you are, well you can certainly say that a 1/4 of you is Irish Celtic no doubt and the rest is up to you, but no doubts Polish and Lithuanian in there as well. If you feel Israeli then there you go. This question though is a hard one to answer. You can be born in a country and have no loyalty to it. Culture is not being born in a land but being part of that culture and accepting it as your own. Remember the suicide bombers in the UK? They were most definitely not British. However, the problem then also lies with ancestry and conflict with your country you may live in. There are many peoples from this world who do not like the British, for the Empire and allowing that hatred to remain while living in the UK is just asking for trouble, therefore, there are many people born in the UK and due to ancestry will never be British. This is not racism or persecution but mere common sense in understanding reality. It’s wrong to enforce one culture and history on another of a different one, but then this then causes problem with integration. How do you get someone to integrate into a society, who has no intention of integrating?

    Nick Griffin has said many things that people will disagree with, however it’s free speech and to kill that is killing liberty. I may not agree with many people’s views but I will agree in their right to speak. Then again, that is why country’s have treason laws and why immigration in many cases is asking for trouble. The Islamists in the UK should be allowed to speak as they will, but then in turn arrested for preaching sedition and treason. This they should know of living here and more importantly the rights of the majority are far more important than the minority. However that’s how it used to be before Nulabour got in.

    I have written in my blog that the BNP has racist policies. This has got me banned from Nationalist sites, as I class myself as a Libertarian Conservative Nationalist. I will defend the BNP for the simple reason that they are listening to the British people. In my latest article on my blog, for those who choose to read it is A Soldier’s tale and this shows, rightfully so why the BNP are winning supporters.

    I have never supported them, but when looking at a choice of the Destruction of your country or voting in a party that will stop it, even though it has a policy that is classed as racist then I know what I will choose. I see the policy for what it is, the indigenous members only is for the reason of preserving their culture and their people. They do not do this maliciously, but they do this for cultural survival. Regardless of the views of many people the North (UK/Europe) is white man’s land, as is Africa the land of the Black man and of course Asia the Mongols and North/South America the home of the Amerindian peoples. Like it or not, this is what, as I’ve grown older what I am seeing more and more clearly. Britain and Europe is seeing the colonisation of its lands by cultures far, far inferior to its own and if it continues it will need in bloodshed. It is best to avert this now and halt/reverse immigration before it gets much worse.

    There are no alternatives to the BNP and their policies in the UK. Many people are also confused on their ‘repatriation’ policies as well. They would allow those who wish to integrate, stay, but those who do not would go. It makes sense. Why allow a growing group who have no intention of integrating stay? It will only lead to trouble. After all, in Israel, if they continued to allow Muslims to live there amongst them, then eventually they’d start making the rules.

    The survival of my land, my country and my people is far more important to me than that of any other. As a nationalist I respect other peoples and their lands and cultures. I expect the same. I would not go to another man’s land and impose my culture on them and expect the same back. Difference is what makes this world unique and the thought of one people, one land, one culture, one language, one currency…throughout the world, is like a horror story from a Kafka novel.

    The BNP have one racial policy of no one non British White to join their party. I have stated that by them doing this they are shooting themselves in the foot as you know. However that’s their prerogative. Unless the people of the UK wake up to the fact that the collective Labour/Liberal/Conservative parties are all one and the same, this country will become an Islamist state by mid century. The elite in Europe really think that they can control Islam when they are gravely mistaken. The Europeans had a hard enough job keeping them out at Vienna in 1683 and that was when there was no Muslims within.

    I understand the BNP’s policies. They are not right wing as people like to think. They are a Nationalist party, but a left wing National party as they are socialist (many of their policies). They do have some conservative and liberal policies too, but they are more socialist. Remember also that at the time of the war and before, all parties were Nationalist ones – Liberal Nationalist, Conservative Nationalist and Socialist Nationalist. However in the UK we are unbalanced and all parties are affiliated to the left.

  25. Winston the Smithy

    Hello Mike,

    On another thing, I also believe that we should designate one land in this world to be anarchist. That is if any people should choose not to live in their lands by laws and culture then they can live in that land under total freedom. This would prove many things and guaranteed that many would be begging to join back again into their societies. I think this would solve many problems. It would be bloody, chaotic, brutal and oppressive, but then that’s what many people and their views are creating in the West. You can’t change human nature and animal instinct. It’s within us all.

    regards

    Winston the Smithy

    The Destruction of Britain

  26. Winston the Smithy of Presbyterian descent,

    As you said, “Pile as many people in from other cultures, in order to dilute and eventually destroy the predominant culture of that land.”

    This is consistent with the British monarch’s methods in dealing with the Ulster plantations, during the 17th century. The crown ‘planted’ Ulster with loyal English and Scottish planters to fend off Gaelic rebellions.

    Scottish Presbyterians were subjugated later under the provisions of the penal code as an inferior non – Anglican people. Why are you so proud of being British?

  27. Winston the Smithy

    Anon,

    “This is consistent with the British monarch’s methods in dealing with the Ulster plantations, during the 17th century. The crown ‘planted’ Ulster with loyal English and Scottish planters to fend off Gaelic rebellions.”

    The Scots came from Ulster, hence the name Ulster Scots. Ulster is in fact the home of the Scots people (Irish Celts) who came across to the SW of Scotland in 300/400AD.

    “Scottish Presbyterians were subjugated later under the provisions of the penal code as an inferior non – Anglican people. Why are you so proud of being British?”

    Scottish people would never be Anglican people for the reason the Scots were Celtic and the Angles Germanic (Anglo and Saxon with Norman mix). In the 17th Century the Scots were still at war with the English, there was turmoil between the English and the Scots and much treachery and skulduggery, with much betrayal. It was in 1745 at the Battle of Culloden that Scotland lost the Jacobite Uprising following Bonnie Prince Charlie. This was when Scotland became part of the United Kingdom.

    I am proud of being British because British is a collective name of the British peoples – English, Scottish, N.Irish and Welsh. The achievements made under the United Kingdom in all fields such as medicine, technology, science, art, literature, playwriting, warfare, architecture….was the best the world’s ever known. The British people gave the World much and created one of the greatest empires the world has ever known not forgetting being detrimental in the creating of the West. I look back at all the great Britons before me and look at myself. I have all nationalities within me. I am 100% British and it is the achievements that make me proud of all the greats mentioned and those many who gave their lives so that I could be free.

    The Destruction of Britain

  28. Winston the Smithy

    The encyclopaedias I checked indicate that the Celts originated from Northern Europe and were perhaps Germanic. To this contributor, whether the Celts were Scottish, Irish, Welsh, German, or Indo European, the argument seems less about nationality and more about geography.

    Your Imperial British pride. I think it’s outdated if not ill placed. Empires rise and empires fall. The British, like the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Germans (to name but a few) are a legacy of the ancient Greek and Roman empires. This legacy slumbered during the dark ages and in recent history has been more than brought back to life. The teachings of the Greeks and the infrastructure of the Romans remains well utilized by a modern and an innovative international economy which continues to spawn new world super powers.

    I believe the cultures of advanced Western countries are being threatened by cut throat, Islamic terrorists. Again, looking at history the Moslem countries of the period from the 7th to say the 15th century made great cultural advances in many fields while Europe remained backward. The Moslems tried during those times to conquer Europe and enjoyed limited success. I like to think that if they couldn’t manage it then, when their empire was advanced. What chances have they now with their backward, cut throat and non democratic ways?

  29. Winston the Smithy

    Anon,

    The encyclopaedias I checked indicate that the Celts originated from Northern Europe and were perhaps Germanic. To this contributor, whether the Celts were Scottish, Irish, Welsh, German, or Indo-European, the argument seems less about nationality and more about geography.

    The Celtic peoples were the peoples of Central Europe circa 8th Century BC. The culture of the Celts was similar to the Germanic peoples but they were not Germanic what made them different was their Indo-European language as well as the origins. While most of Europe was predominately Celtic. Archaelogy put the Germanic peoples of the early inhabitants of Scandinavia(Norway/Sweden/Denmark) who moved into Europe circa 1,700BC. What separates the Germanic peoples to the Celtic peoples is language. There is immense similarity to the Germanic and the Celtic cultures for the simple reason that no doubt they were originally all part of the Palaeolithic and Mesolithic age that went their own ways, created their own cultures and languages and developed into their respective peoples. Nationality is an outcome of geography so the argument is very much about both. Again, the Celtic peoples were not Germanic peoples. Although Caucasian peoples, most definitely different in many ways.

    Your Imperial British pride. I think it’s outdated if not ill placed.

    I beg your pardon? Do you not find that an exceptionally insulting and arrogant comment to make?

    Empires rise and empires fall. The British, like the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Germans (to name but a few) are a legacy of the ancient Greek and Roman empires. This legacy slumbered during the dark ages and in recent history has been more than brought back to life. The teachings of the Greeks and the infrastructure of the Romans remains well utilized by a modern and an innovative international economy which continues to spawn new world super powers.

    The modern world is a legacy of the Roman Empire. That’s quite a generalising comment to also make. The British Empire was unique to the world in what it gave to the world in the many fields I’ve mentioned. Therefore the modern world and western civilisation is the legacy of the British Empire. All one need do is look at the achievements of the Great Britons, these were not achievements of the Romans. This alone makes me proud to be British. Like the Romans the British gave the world much and their inventions and scientific and medical breakthroughs have also helped to save and unite the world. This can never be overlooked. Lastly the USA is the legacy of the British Empire also.

    I believe the cultures of advanced Western countries are being threatened by cut throat, Islamic terrorists. Again, looking at history the Moslem countries of the period from the 7th to say the 15th century made great cultural advances in many fields while Europe remained backward. The Moslems tried during those times to conquer Europe and enjoyed limited success. I like to think that if they couldn’t manage it then, when their empire was advanced. What chances have they now with their backward, cut throat and non democratic ways?

    The advanced western countries are being threatened again. However to answer your question simply, Great civilisations and Empires are never murdered – they commit suicide and this is what’s happening to the West. The Romans were never defeated from outside, the committed suicide. The Vikings could never be matched by ferocity and warfare(well most of the time) but they committed suicide with integration. The same happened with the British Empire also. Empires tend to overstretch themselves and fall to growing civilisations within their civilisations. It is also fair to say that although the British Empire no longer holds the land and occupies the percentage of the world it once did, its legacy continues throughout the world. The U.K still holds political sway over hundreds of non-English islands and regions, and cultural sway over many more. The Muslims could not defeat the West because they just didn’t have the ability to. The last main attack by the Ottoman Turks was in 1683, defeated by the King of Poland and other European armies. The British didn’t even get involved in that fight! The eventual defeat of the Ottoman Turks was in WW1, which of course led to the creation of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq.
    We will fail for one reason – Liberalism. Liberalism will utterly destroy the West. Marxist Theorists realised that the only way to destroy the West was to destroy its belief in its self. Therefore they set about devising a plan with which to destroy it from within. You will know one of these plans as Gramsci hegemony. The complete restructure of a society, flood it with other cultures, destroy its morals and principles, teach its indigenous to hate their country and heritage and sit back and watch them all attack one another. This is working. Then add to one of those mentioned : Islamic immigration. Also look at how feminism and of course the rise of homosexuality(gay rights and control over heterosexuality) is destroying western society. Feminist control frightens males to have children and get into a family for the reason that women can utterly destroy them, again thanks to liberal laws and Human Rights. Also allow women to work. All this helps to destroy the traditional family and of course the patriarchal west. We now live in a matriarchal west and when using that to combat a patriarchal society that is Islam, Islam will dominate. Our men have become more and more feminised because of liberal laws of oppression(ironic isn’t it?). They are scared to be men for the reason that they’re being watched and scrutinised for everything they do.

    So to your above question: “What chances have they now with their backward, cut throat and non democratic ways?” I will answer liberal democracy that’s what. The three stages of Islamisation:

    1. Finance
    2. Political
    3. Jihad – not the brainwashed belief Islam pump into the media of struggle but full on kill the infidel and oppress them.

    So how will this work:

    1. Immigration
    2. Birthrate
    3. Saudi Arabian Sharia Finance
    4. Growth
    5. Multiculturalism which believes all cultures are relative. Eventually the law will give in to allowing Muslims be allowed full Sharia Law and to live in the UK how they would in their own lands. If they do not then the Muslims take the British government to the EU Human Rights courts and win.
    6. Growth
    7. Establishment of the Muslim political party of the UK. While we in the UK are all fighting over Liberal, Conservative, Social and National beliefs Muslims are voting for the Islamic party of Great Britain. I would also add that Muslims would also become more involved in teaching and business in the UK. Imams would be preaching Islam in more and more state schools resulting in Indigenous Britons being converted into Islam at a young age like Eastern European Indigenous Muslims.
    8. More Muslims join the Army and police
    9. Islam wins an election and starts imposing Islamic law and culture on the UK
    10. Most of the armed forces and police are Muslim by that time
    11. Islamisation of the UK, which in effect will then turn into a third world country in time under Islam.
    12 Persecution of gays and feminists(not that I’d care about the feminists who’ve destroyed the west) and of course persecution of all non Islamic faiths.

    What has happened is simple. They have used our liberal laws and protections to protect their takeover. There is no defence system in the UK thanks to multiculturalism and the cultural and moral relativism being promoted. That’s how they have the chance and they will win. They learned the classic trick of history – The fall of Troy. One can only destroy a civilisation from within and not from without and it’s happening right now as we speak. The social indoctrination of the UK and the west under 50 years of School of Frankfurt Marxist theory is working like a dream. I look at it simply Marxism is like AIDS. It destroys the bodies protection system and Islam is like a common cold. Mixed with AIDS it will kill the host. This is what’s happening to the West. Islam will become unstoppable as long as liberalism remains the main ideology. For Britain to survive and the west it needs to embrace Nationalism, whether that be Social, Conservative, Liberal or Libertarian. If it does not it will die. In fact it already is, slowly.

  30. Winston the Smithy

    Anon,

    Again, looking at history the Moslem countries of the period from the 7th to say the 15th century made great cultural advances in many fields while Europe remained backward.

    This is also under speculation of late. It is now considered that the inventions of Islam between these periods was not Islamic invention but instead stolen from the people of the lands they invaded.
    After all, when you’re living in a society where there is a dominant people (Muslims) who are controlling everyone else (Non Muslims) under their Sharia Law, making non Muslims pay the Jizyah and live a restricted life, do you really think they’re going to accredit in their history books that the Jew[insert a name] or the Christian [insert a name] or the Zoroastrian [insert a name] invented the [insert invention/advancement] within their land controlled by Islam? I doubt that very much

    I think that Islam has brought the world nothing quite frankly other than totalitarianism, oppression, death and fear to many peoples of this world. And it continues to do so.

  31. Nick Kopaloff

    Mr. Winston the Smithy,
    No offense, but for years Nick Griffin’s number one transatlantic admirer, the ex KKK grand wizard Dr. David Duke has been turning out exactly the same type of on-demand fascism you so eloquently put forward. So I have really heard it all before – the only difference being that he just replaces your saucer of rat poison, “Islam”, with “Jewish extremists”, his preferred synonym for “Jews”. Espousing ideas from the popular emerging discipline of Evolutionary Psychology, he argues that psychological traits can be passed on through natural selection, and that ethnocentric supremacist Jews are the number one propagators of multiculturalism by their sanctioning of mass immigration from countless third world countries. In so doing, we Jews are effectively destroying Christian White societies – since diversity is a safer environment in which we can continue our legendary usury and in-blooded exploitation, through institutions like the financial markets and controlled mass media.

    But permit me, a seasoned contributor, to address a more pressing issue.
    Just as the person who called for the death of gays and who prescribed anal desecration of holy candelabra was allowed to spout his vitriol, the editor of this fine blog has given you license to peddle your BNP explosive messages without impunity or reproach.
    But woe betide if you dare mention underpants.
    Our editor seems a tad touchy on the subject and he even received a lot, no in fact loads, of emails to that effect. He is all-powerful, even Omni-powerful, and he can delete an entire category, with one fell swoop of his index finger on the “del” button. However in the event that undergarments need to make themselves revealed in one of your future postings, you would be advised to make repeated mention of “this excellent blog” and you might, unlike this shaky entry, survive without censure.

  32. Winston the Smithy

    Nick Kopaloff,

    I suppose this has to be one of my shortest replies ever.

    I have never said anything about Jewish people that would warrant a reply such as yours. Write to the BNP. I am not a member or a spokesman of their organisation.

    I think you need to choose your opponents far more wisely in order to let off your lecture on anti semitism to. You’re picking at straws here in a field of carrots. Best to look elsewhere.

  33. Very interesting article but am gob smacked as to how you figure that Muslim terrorists are British simply because they were born here or how it is that you are English when as a Jew you are quite obviously not Anglo Saxon, statement of fact so don’t start screaming anti Semite or I will simply turn the page. Asian British is clearly a nu labour oxymoron and an attempt to steal our identity as Palestinian-Israeli or Arab-Israeli or Muslim-Israeli would be

  34. Neil, a person born in England is English and British, “statement of fact” . . . however hard for you to swallow.

    I, too, am “gob smacked” that people – many even intelligent – cling to an “Anglo Saxon” identity, questionable at best, springing from the mass migration of Germanic tribes following the Roman occupation of Britain.

    Notwithstanding later assimilation of Viking and Norman migrants, this view of “Englishness” is hotly contested by both historians and geneticists.

    “We do not claim Englishness to be purely ethnic or purely cultural, but it is a complex mix of the two. We firmly believe Englishness is a state of mind.” (English Democrats Party)

    “The people of England includes everyone who considers this ancient land to be their home and future regardless of ethnicity, race, religion or culture.” (Campaign for an English Parliament)

    Only you know whether you are an anti-Semite and a racist, Neil . . . but it is not looking too good from where I am standing! 😉

  35. Nick Kopaloff

    Winston the Smithy,

    Pleased as I was to have been responsible for your shortest reply ever, and as long as you publicly endorse the BNP, then I hope your future postings will be even shorter, less abrupt and without reference to carrots.

    I am well aware that in a rare ignoble moment in an otherwise unblemished writing career, the author of this masterful blog to whom we bow our head in deference, ill advisedly wrote “So, I don’t blame any Britons who voted BNP in last week’s election…”
    I on the other hand do.

    You are an articulate and well-read gentleman, no doubt of substance, pedigree and breeding. But it is that very refinement, common to BNP leaders of your ilk, which is the most dangerous aspect of their recent growth. Its goodbye to tight white “T” shirted 13 hole steel-capped Doctor Martins skinheads, and its welcome to smooth talking academics in boardroom suits. Less emphasis on Paki bashing and kicking heads at Upton Park or Millwall, more on the cultural pride and heritage of Picts, Celts and Cornish pasties.

    As a side note, BNP Press Officer Simon Darby recently emailed me to boast about the BNP Jewish councilor Pat Richardson. “I may be a ‘schtik’ Pict, or ‘oy gevelt’ even a Celt,” she was rumored to have said.

    So when you posted “I see no choice but to vote BNP at the next election for the first time,” there I was thinking that you might actually agree with some of their explicit as well as implicit racist policies. No one joined the German National Socialist Party because of a fondness for Hitler’s moustache.

    I never once suggested that you made any slurs against the Jewish people, I just brazenly pointed out that I wholeheartedly believe the well-known anti-semitic views disseminated by David Duke, are shared by his openly close friends, the leaders of the controversial party for whom you intend to cast your ballot. So I would urge you to reconsider – because I guarantee my disgust is shared by almost every reader of this blog.

    Ex National Front now MEP Holocaust denier/downgrader Griffin is a far better communicator than ex NF fascist leader John Tyndall from whom Griffin received his original political endorsement, but their views are essentially the same. Unlike Tyndall, media sensitive Griffin has the good political sense not to pose for the camera in a Nazi SS uniform giving a Heil Hitler salute. And Grif’s old NF gay colleague Martin Webster actually claimed to have had homosexual relations with him, which reminds me of the late Austrian closet gay naughty nazi Jorge Heider which “draws” me back again to the whole underpants thing.

    So with respect to the Picts, in fact some of my best friends are Picts, or to your Islamophobia; if you are resigned to voting BNP then your misguided conclusion should result in your exclusion from this and other privately run mouthpieces.

  36. Nick, I am getting increasingly tired of you telling me – usually via snide digs – who and what should be “excluded” from melchett mike . . . so tired, in fact, that you are the closest to it.

    As I have said before, if you don’t like this “privately run mouthpiece”, or approve of how I run it, you know what you have to do . . . or, rather, not to.

  37. David Kornbluth

    Winston,

    Hi, being proud to be British based on historical achievement is one thing, i am proud that British people are to this day by and large decent and honorable. You make some good points but say something repeatedly that i find unworthy.
    Although i can accept that all people should be proud of their own culture, repeated reference to other cultures being inferior demonstrates racism, are you a racist?
    There is probably no one culture that is better than others. As a self declared libertarian you should be far more open minded in your views of cultures different to your own. To dismiss other cultures and say we should allow everyone to have their own land at the same time is confusing.

    If you believe that Britain has the best culture you should believe in world domination, especially as you write that 2nd and third world countries have nothing to offer us. This is a crazy attitude in my opinion, and anyway people ruled have no desire to produce, just look at Communism in Russia.

    Be proud of who you are, for who you are now, not where you come from, without denigrating others who are different. Then you will get respect.

    A British jew who lives in Israel!
    Make Aliya today 🙂

  38. Winston the Smithy

    Nick Kopaloff,

    The BNP are a Socialist Nationalist party I won’t deny that, but then being a Nationalist myself and more importantly realising that Britain’s sinking and the only ship that’s come to rescue it is the BNP, I simply can’t be choosy of my saviour.

    Your comparison to Hitler’s Nazi party is understandable in that Hitler’s Nazi party brought hope to many German people who had been ripped apart by years of French hatred towards them. So to the German people Hitler was a godsend, but to the World a nightmare.

    Now I really don’t think that Griffin would go marching around Europe. If he receives support then it will be because of his policies. I really do not have the inclination of going into them as I’ve already discussed the BNP on many occasions and seeing as your opinion of them is ‘fixed’ then it’s really a pointless option debating on the BNP.

    Lastly, you lower yourself greatly, even lower than your opinion of the BNP with your use of word Islamaphobia. Therefore, because I enjoy debating with rational people, in a word you have proved your irrationality. To speak of Islamaphobia in today’s climate not only goes to show your overwhelming ignorance of Islam but an even more overwhelming ignorance of world events 7th Century onwards.

    When one is called an Islamaphobe, it’s a conversation killer. It shows one the level of intelligence of one’s opponent. There is nothing whatsoever irrational about people’s fear of Islam. I think over 250 million people who have died under order of Muhammad’s commands in the Qur’an prove that point considerably.

    Now, I have to go and watch the grass grow. Do have a nice day.

  39. Winston the Smithy

    David Kornbluth,

    It is very interesting that you bring up the word racist because do you know of its origins and where it came about? The word racist was first used by Trotsky in his attack on the very proud Slavic peoples who loved their cultures and wanted to continue living by them. Trotsky called them racist because they would not submit to his communism takeover. Very interesting don’t you think.
    So I suppose that if I am to be truthful I am a racist in that effect. I am proud of my culture, my history and my heritage and I do not want another culture imposing its culture upon mine, the same way as I believe that Britian should not impose it on another.

    So to move on, my racism is not made out of malice or hatred for another culture or people. It is simply an understanding that the culture I live in is better than other cultures. Are you to tell me that the cultures of the Masai of Kenya or the Zimbabwean people is better than mine? Are you to say that the culture of the Pakistani, Somalian and Amerindian tribes of the South American rainforest is better than mine? This is where sadly, liberalism is destroying our lives. It automatically paints racism as a very negative quality, when in fact racism is what has kept cultures alive. It is the love of that culture that allows it to endure.

    I do not prejudice a person because of their skin or their race. I believe in meritocracy and the person best skilled for that job. In a society that does not live under this rule sadly is a very discriminatory one. Harriet Harman brought in positive discrimination and people accepted it making it legal to be prejudice. I find that sickening.

    What I really find disturbing about society is that people’s views that may differ from anothers are always attacked. More so, it is always the white middle classes, those people who will champion multiculturalism, integration and the destruction of their culture, continually promoting the word racist or bigot to anyone who disagrees with their Utopia. Ironically, it is also the ‘white’ Middle classes who will be the first people in the “white” flight of cities to the more white areas of the English countryside. It is the utter hypocrisy of them as they bundle into their 4×4’s drive down to Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall, to escape the multiculturalism and mass immigration they defend, in order to send their white children to all white schools, while living in their all white neighbourhoods. It is the working classes, never listened to and forced to accept other cultures they were never asked if they wanted as they watch their communities be ripped apart and historic buildings pulled down because they don’t ‘fit in’ with other cultures.

    Britain is a prime example of the social experiment of multiculturalism that is doomed to failure and mass bloodshed. We do not have other cultures integrating as multiculturalism, by its very definition obliterates one way integration with its two way integration oxymoron, i.e. “We want to come and live in London, fleeing our own lands because there’s no work, we are poor, there is violence and bloodshed, but we don’t want to live by your rules and instead by our own cultures of back home.” It is this madness that our middle and upper class elite continue to miss. The bloodshed in another land is not because of us, but because of that person’s culture. Should they choose to live by that culture here, then it is only a matter of time before what’s happening in their own land also happens here.

    Everyone in this world is racist. That’s a fact. Look at how many white friends a white man has compared to black, Asian or Chinese. Look at a black man and how many friend’s her or she has compared to other races. The races of man by natural selection automatically tend to choose their own race as well as associate with their own race. It is because of history and heritage that they relate to one another. My partner is black and all of her friends are predominately black.

    So you see, when people say to me “Are you a racist?” I always say of course I am, but not in the negative portrayal that our media likes to paint the word as. I love my culture. I love my people. I live in Britain because this is the home of my culture. I really hate to point this out but sadly it is those people who come to the UK of other races and cultures that are the media’s definition of racist. They seek to impose their culture on a dominant one and those who complain about not wanting it are automatically branded negatively as a racist. This therefore takes us full circle to the original use of the word as used by Trotsky, to attack the Slovophiles who wouldn’t submit to communism. I find this very sad really. The word racism is used as a debate killer and what those killing the debate do not realise is that all they are doing by denying debate of immigration and multiculturalism, they’re adding more explosive to the pile, while the fuse burns down even more to civil unrest, bloodshed and war. As the working classes are ignored, sh*t on by the establishment having to sit back and watch their culture and civilisation be destroyed, the white liberal middle classes, continue to live their totally ignorant lives in white suburbia.

    I love my culture. I love my people, my history and my heritage and if you think I’m being negative by stating that there are many cultures not as good(inferior) to a British then you are pandering to minority belief and sadly adding to the future problems that will occur in society as a result of the blatant oppression of the Indigenous peoples by the elite. If British culture is not superior to others, then why on earth are 3rd world and 2nd world peoples desperate to get into the UK/West. Surely, were their cultures better they’d be happy living there instead of coming to Britain. This alone answers my understanding that British culture is far superior to many. Were African and Asian nations superior to British ones then we would have no people coming to the UK. I don’t have time to search for statistics but look at the number of white people moving to live in Asia and Africa compared to the other way around. That alone proves my case of superior and inferior cultures.

  40. Daniel Marks

    Winston,

    I’m sure that you already know, but among Adolf Hitler’s (YS) earliest of supporters were members of the German aristocratic class who never took the funny little Austrian corporal, who made so many grammatical mistakes in his German, seriously until it was too late. Who was it that said, “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last”? To my unremitting shame there were Jews as well who made the same mistake only to discover that their “understanding” of those who had voted for the Nazi party wouldn’t excuse them from the long, long line to the gas chambers.

    I sincerely believe that the former were for the most part, like you, in no way anti-Semitic, they just needed someone who could speak to the masses and protect them from Bolshevism. Who can blame them as they had no historical precedent to learn from – what exactly will be your defense?

    An ironic note that I’m astounded nobody has pointed out is the origin of your name. Would I be totally out of order to hazard a guess that you were named after one the greatest of all Englishman? If so, remember that your great namesake also had some moments of foolishness, praising Mussolini for his improvement in the Italian train service, before coming to his senses. Winston Churchill was not a great man because he always got everything right. He changed his mind and his party often but finally he reached the truth. So I say to you Winston the Smithy distance yourself from the Fascist hoards, poles apart from you and every other decent Englishman.

    You attest that you “have never supported them” (the BNP) but now you’re contemplating it, I say, “Turn gain Winston! …Therefore brace yourself to your duties, and so bear yourself, that if the THE DESTRUCTION OF BRITAIN blog lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was its their finest hour’.”

  41. Winston the Smithy

    Hello Daniel,

    Yes, I have never supported the BNP, but unless another party comes along that has a chance of victory that speaks for me and the other Indigenous peoples of the UK which will remove Britain form the EU, end multiculturalism and remove illegals and many who shouldn’t be here as well as destroy political correctness, repeal all laws by Nulabour and do something to stop Islamisation then I will have no choice but to support the BNP.

    Britain is sinking and at the moment there’s only one lifeboat. The water’s getting colder as am I and one cannot be choosy in a situation like this. The lifeboat will take us to dry land and then we can set about making sure this catastrophe doesn’t happen again. Under EU control that’s the end of the UK as it becomes a state, where the people will have no control over who they vote for to sit in the EU parliament. It will create an untouchable elite who will rule with immense power.
    I just truly do not think you realise the gravity of this situation. The creation of the EU is totalitarianism complete and will bring in a terrible situation. It is the birth of the USSR all over again, secret police, gulags, terrible persecution, people disappearing and the worship of Big Brother.

    My name Winston the Smithy is from Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984. He named his main character after Winston Churchill but also after the most common surname in Britain.

  42. David Kornbluth

    Winston from Brixton?
    If you have been to London recently you will see that it is no longer the same place it once was by any means. Society in England has and will suffer greatly but only due to hate, you are well spoken and eloquent in your argument but you miss the point. The point is you continue to state that other cultures are inferior. As you said, who are you to say that British culture is superior to Italian or Canadian or even heaven forbid Brazilian or Sri Lankan or any other. What exactly has come out of Britain in the last 50 years.

    You yourself said that your partner is black does that mean that blacks have a better culture – because you have chosen one as a partner. I think it is clear that choice of partner is a more valid sign of affinity than choice of residence. Clearly people move to Britain as it is a good place to live and mainly prosper – not for the theatre, art, drinking, sports, or even cooking, now i have made myself laugh.

    This is because the essence of British culture is its fairness and decency – the Islamic threat can only harm that when it changes that very decency.

    I used to like Britain it was once Great, however the Britain i grew up in no longer exists, don’t let the essence of your culture disappear to. Indeed love your culture by pointing out that those who come to Great Britain stay if they respect the Rule of Law in their chosen homes otherwise send them packing. But that Rule of Law should apply to all equally!

    I think that you love the idea of a culture that is long gone in a UK filled with immigrants and you love History. America has Obama soon the UK will have Husseini.

  43. Winston the Smithy

    David Kornbluth,

    Winston from Brixton?
    If you have been to London recently you will see that it is no longer the same place it once was by any means. Society in England has and will suffer greatly but only due to hate, you are well spoken and eloquent in your argument but you miss the point. The point is you continue to state that other cultures are inferior. As you said, who are you to say that British culture is superior to Italian or Canadian or even heaven forbid Brazilian or Sri Lankan or any other. What exactly has come out of Britain in the last 50 years.

    Respectfully, in my article I state that the multicultural experiment has been forced upon the British people. We were never asked whether we wanted it. The government simply piled more and more people into the UK from 2nd/3rd World countries and this has caused great anger. In 1997 when Labour came to power immigration was 36k. Last year it was 225k and that’s the people who were given British passports NOT counting those here illegally. In 12 years of NuLabour the population has increased by 7million people(immigration alone). In the next 25 years the population will rise with 70% of that being solely attributable to immigration under NuLabour. I find that appalling.

    Had you looked at the cultures I stated as inferior you will see that I mention 2nd and 3rd World cultures. It is the European peoples of the 1st world who are enriching the UK and always have, because we have similair cultures not forgetting race ancestry and judeo-christian-greek foundations. I also would like to say that I very much do not miss the point. Can you honestly say to me the the culture of Zimbabwe is better than that of the UK? If you can then really you do not know much about cultures. The stability of a country, its infrastructure, it’s history, its traditions, its people who have made it so is that country’s culture. Now look at Zimbabwe; under the British it flourished. It was known as the bread basket of Africa. Under Mugabe, a Zimbabwean, he’s destroyed it. This sad example of an African country is mirrored throughout African society. I suggest you read some Kevin Myers in the Irish Independent, especially his article on Africa. I have an article on my blog about Kevin Myers entitled “The Guv’nor of Journalism” and in it there are links to his articles. There is also another great article on my blog from another blogger called “Africa and The Other Side of Kim”. I suggest you read this one too. Africa, is supposed to be the cradle of civilisation and yet is still a third world country. It is so because of Africans and no one else. Sadly there is a sever lack of compassion and humanity within that land and history has proved this over and over.

    You yourself said that your partner is black does that mean that blacks have a better culture – because you have chosen one as a partner. I think it is clear that choice of partner is a more valid sign of affinity than choice of residence. Clearly people move to Britain as it is a good place to live and mainly prosper – not for the theatre, art, drinking, sports, or even cooking, now i have made myself laugh.

    I chose my partner because of the way she is. She’s clever, she does not see herself an anything other than British. She is not African, as she is of W.Indian heritage but she knows that the culture she grew up in is a British culture. Her skin colour is similar to Africans, but then mine is similar to Russians but I’m not Russian. People move to Britain to stay for one reason – better culture, especially when coming from 2nd/3rd World lands. I have friends who have been to India and one also to Africa. In fact the journalist James Delingpole, while in Africa, was approached from an African in a former colony who said to him “Why did you leave? Why did you leave us and take away British rule? Our society then was a prosperous one, fair, people were educated and had work. Now it is the exact opposite.”

    This is because the essence of british culture is its fairness and decency – the Islamic threat can only harm that when it changes that very decency.

    I used to like Britain it was once Great, however the Britain i grew up in no longer exists, don’t let the essence of your culture disappear to. Indeed love your culture by pointing out that those who come to Great Britain stay if they respect the Rule of Law in their chosen homes otherwise send them packing. But that Rule of Law should apply to all equally!

    David, sadly in the above you argue with yourself. The essence of British culture is fairness, decency and integrity and above all liberty, but the swamping into the UK of other cultures is destroying this. Let me give you an example. The history syllabus in the UK taught the holocaust, which has now been removed because it offends Muslims. We no longer teach the crusades for offending Muslims and Jews. A pub in England, very old called the Saracen’s head was changed because it offended Muslims. That is a 300 year old pub(or whatever) having its name changed to make people who are not British, do not want to be part of its culture and have lived here for probably 3 years. This is multiculturalism. It means that British law, culture and society will die to make way for a mix of all. Eventually it will come to a time where a Muslim may kill his child under Sharia law in the UK and be untouchable under British law. This is inevitable. The mass change to British society has happened over the last 50 years but more so over the last 12 under Nulabour. If you continue to flood the country with people who hate it, have no intention of integrating and to enforce their own culture then what do you honestly expect will happen? What would happen if I came into your house and lived how I wanted, never obeyed your rules and did whatever I wished? More so, when you complained to the Police or authorities they’d just call you a racist or a Xenophobe? This is going to recoil as the British people are pushed further and further. It will no be nice. It will be rather horrific I should imagine. It will be similar to what happened in Serbia under Milosevic, a situation, thanks to western propaganda has totally demonised the Serbian people, who faced just what we did and retaliated as what will happen here eventually = mass bloodshed on a horrendous scale.

    I think that you love the idea of a culture that is long gone in a UK filled with immigrants and you love History. America has Obama soon the UK will have Husseini.

    Of course I do, but it will go unless we start removing those people who should not be here and bringing back sedition and treason laws. This would mean the like of Anjem Choudary would be swinging from a rope with the rest of the Islamists. Even better that we enforce our Bill of Rights and create another to not allow British culture to change into any other one other than British.

  44. Michael Goldman

    Winston, you write: “So to the German people Hitler was a godsend, but to the World a nightmare.”
    There were at least six million to whom he was not a “godsend”.

    I think that the main fear is not what Griffin may or may not do to the rest of Europe, but rather what he indends to do to those in Britain who are not British enough.
    His close affiliation to the likes of David Duke is a dead giveaway of what he really intends and to whom.
    I find it difficult to understand how you can ignore his obvious agenda unless you for some starange reason believe that if ever in power he will only manage to realise his more mundane intentions and somehow suddenly be stopped.

    Or perhaps you have no problem with what is so obviously his eventual goal.

  45. Daniel Marks

    Winston,

    You use the colorful story of a man on a sinking boat:
    “Britain is sinking and at the moment there’s only one lifeboat. The water’s getting colder as am I and one cannot be choosy in a situation like this. The lifeboat will take us to dry land and then we can set about making sure this catastrophe doesn’t happen again.”

    That was, of course, just the trap to which I was referring. To continue with your analogy, I believe that in your rush for a lifeboat, any lifeboat it is the back of a very dangerous shark onto which you are diving! The shark has blood on his teeth and the carcasses of many other desperately naive seamen in his stomach.

    How delightful that you were named after an Orwellian character. I love Orwell but Animal Farm has always been my favorite. As an English teacher I used to read the book with my class and then watch the old cartoon movie. The movie is actually much more optimistic at the end than the book as in the final scene we see the animals not passively accepting the destruction of their dream but rising up once again. I used to laugh and tell my pupils that some fool had ruined the story taking away its realism and replacing it with a Hollywood ending. And then it happened. The animals really did rise up and four decades after the making of the corny movie it all came true!

    In Judaism we say that sometimes redemption can come in the blink of an eye. It can, Winnie, we the decent people can do it without bringing in vile Fascists to do our work. I feel a lot of despair in your writing and I feel for you. I haven’t been in Britain for many years and maybe you’re right about many things.

    However, there is one thing that I am sure about as I am sure that the sun tomorrow will rise over Jerusalem. I am sure that if somebody can do something it is not the barmy Nazis or Neo-Nazis or whatever they’re calling themselves today – it’s you!

    There is an old Jewish story that you may have heard about an anti-Semite who would go from Jewish village to Jewish village and challenge the rabbis to a duel. He would take a tiny bird and put it in his hand. Then he would close his hand and ask the rabbi, “Tell me is this bird alive or dead?”

    His plan was simple. If the rabbi would say, “Dead”, he’d open his hand and the bird would fly away. However, if the rabbi guessed that the bird was alive the anti-Semite would gently squeeze and the bird’s neck would break.
    He came one day to a village and called out the rabbi. The rabbi was an old man but wise.
    “So tell me old man,” he said, “is the bird alive or dead?”

    The rabbi answered, “It’s in your hands.”

    I say to you today Winston, do not despair, for the matter is in your hands. Look at us. We are a tiny country occupying one quarter of a percent of the Middle East. We are surrounded by hundreds of millions of wicked enemies who hate us and want us dead. Who would have believed in 1945 as we crawled out of the Nazi camps that within three years we would have a state of our own after defeating five regular Arab armies. Who would have believed that I, an Englishman, would choose to move from London to one of the most dangerous places in the world, me and thousands of others, including the editor of this excellent blog and a certain Nick Kopaloff who you may remember in the context of underwear.

    And throughout all of this and against impossible odds we never threw in the towel, never despaired, never gave in to hatred and never looked to barmy extremists to do our dirty work.

    Be strong oh Winnie. It’s in your hands!

  46. Daniel Marks

    Like the ever articulate Goldman I shall take issue with your statement: “So to the German people Hitler was a godsend, but to the World a nightmare.”

    1. Hitler found a Germany with terrible economic, political and social problems and left a country literally in ruins with more than 7,000,000 Germans dead. Were they alive I believe they too might take issue.

    2. About 160,000 German Jews were murdered. I know not the number of gypsies, homosexuals, Socialists, freemasons, priests and many others who were murdered by the Godsend. They too were Germans who might beg to differ.

    3. Finally, when you used the expression godsend. I’m curious to know which God exactly did you have in mind.

  47. Winston the Smithy

    Michael Goldman,

    Of course there was an extermination in Germany towards the Jewish people, I have already mentioned that this was wrong, but the people then in Germany united behind Hitler because he restored their pride and belief in themselves, the French had destroyed. Remember also as well that the many of the European nations were not only connected by race but royalty. The Nazi movement in the UK was quite large and we know that King Edward VIII, not to do with his love affair with American divorcée Wallis Simpson, but because he supported Hitler.

    I disagree with the persecution of Jewish people and I also believe that the BNP would not persecute against the Jewish people. There is overwhelming evidence that Griffin has spoken ill of Jewish people but then people can change. You can read articles on Melanie Phillips and Peter Hitchens. The Jewish Melanie Phillips was a socialist when she was younger and Hitchens was a communist. Should Griffin decide to start persecuting the Jewish people he will be met with resistance, as that is not part of his political policy. On the other hand Islam is.

    I know without a doubt that there are some exceptionally powerful Jewish people in the USA and all over Europe. I also happen to know that a lot of wealth is tied up within many Jewish families and businesses. I also know as well that discussion on Judaism is also not accepted. I believe 100% in no holds barred debate on everything. Confront what people do not wish to talk about. Nothing in my life is taboo.
    On saying that, I have said continually that I believe that Jewish people should have their own lands. I also believe that there are many upon many Jewish people who have integrated into the West over many generations. Thus, they have as much right as any to live here should they continue their loyalty and integration. Regardless of how many ‘stories’ I’ve heard of Jewish people, no Jewish person has ever tried to blow themselves up and kill innocent people. I do know my history, about Jewish unrest in the East End of London and of course the problems of Jewish people and the British when the Israel state was formed. No topic should be hidden for debate and no one should ever be arrested for what they say. The jailing of the holocaust denier British historian David Irving was despicable for the fact that it is exactly this kind of action that works against the Jewish people. I search for the truth and leave no stone unturned, but I have the common sense not to dive head first into conspiracy but believe in freedom of speech 100% and it should never and I mean never be censored.

    I believe fully in treason and those who preach it should be imprisoned. There is a lot of secrecy surrounding Jewish people and jailing people for their opinion, no matter how much you disagree with that opinion is wrong. It is this freedom that has made the West what it is with its liberty. There is a big difference to someone preaching for the takeover of a country to instil another ideology/faith over it to a man who denies the mass murder of millions. However, I would like to see a full debate on this from all sides, bringing evidence, if not to shut up conspiracy but to bring the holocaust back into the light of the public again that’s been covered because of offending Muslims.

    I’ve explained myself fully on why I would support the BNP. As a Celt/Anglo Saxon/Norse Brit this is my culture and I don’t want to see it go. My culture is going because of multiculturalism and immigration. This is my home and my ancestors home who created the greatest civilisation the world knows. If my people go then so to will the West and I’m looking at this logically. If it means that minorities in the UK will have to eventually leave in order to preserve the main culture then so be it. I l’m looking at this logically. Although I believe 100% that the BNP WOULD NOT PERSECUTE Blacks or Jewish people. You don’t because you are probably Jewish but I don’t. Remember also that this is my culture and my land and I’m watching it disappear. I don’t want that to happen regardless. I’m sure you can understand that. After all the Jewish people are fighting for survival in Israel and I’m sure they don’t want their land to be swamped by Muslims from territories around them? I’m also sure that Jewish people will continue to remain the majority in Israel as well. Therefore in understanding this, you should understand Britain and my point of view. Lastly, there would be no Israel were it not for Britain and the sacrifices British people and their commonwealth to give you that land.

    I do not know what Nick Griffin wants, you however and many others seem to. There are many people in power with bad histories, but simply one thing needs to be said here; your speculating and nothing more. I believe people can change. Islam however can’t and as long as Muslims follow it, they will forever revere Muhammad and be a threat. If Nick Griffin is good for the British people who comprise of 90% of the Population and it means a persecution of 10% in order to preserve the culture in the future then by logic the majority wishes have to be respected. Especially when it’s their land and their culture. You can’t be nice to everyone and moreso, the minorities in the UK already have their own homelands other than the UK. They have an ancestral home to go to. I don’t.

  48. Joey Garfinkel

    Winston the Smithy,
    In your humble opinion, should the BNP promote tourism by British Jews to the Land of Milk and Honey . . . on a one-way ticket?

  49. Winston the Smithy

    Daniel Marks,

    That was, of course, just the trap to which I was referring. To continue with your analogy, I believe that in your rush for a lifeboat, any lifeboat it is the back of a very dangerous shark onto which you are diving! The shark has blood on his teeth and the carcasses of many other desperately naive seamen in his stomach.

    If there’s only one lifeboat and no others you do not have time to be choosy. You get on it. I can’t state that point anymore importantly.

    In Judaism we say that sometimes redemption can come in the blink of an eye. It can, Winnie, we the decent people can do it without bringing in vile Fascists to do our work. I feel a lot of despair in your writing and I feel for you. I haven’t been in Britain for many years and maybe you’re right about many things.

    Britain has changed drastically in the 15 years I’ve been in London. I have also not been back to my hometown in Scotland for nearly 10 years and that has changed drastically from what I read on the Internet regarding Islam. The population has grown overwhelmingly there. In fact Soctland, unless something’s done quickly, will be an Islamic state before England. When I say that we are on the edge of the waterfall, I mean it. You wouldn’t believe how much the UK has changed. It’s drastic in the cities. You never here English being spoken when walking through the streets. Our culture is being obliterated.

    However, there is one thing that I am sure about as I am sure that the sun tomorrow will rise over Jerusalem. I am sure that if somebody can do something it is not the barmy Nazis or Neo-Nazis or whatever they’re calling themselves today – it’s you!

    I can only do what I can do. I am merely a twig in front of a tsunami. I need more twigs to build a wall and that’s ultimately the choice of other twigs.

    I say to you today Winnie, do not despair, for the matter is in your hands. Look at us. We are a tiny country occupying one quarter of a percent of the Middle East. We are surrounded by hundreds of millions of wicked enemies who hate us and want us dead. Who would have believed in 1945 as we crawled out of the Nazi camps that within three years we would have a state of our own after defeating five regular Arab armies. Who would have believed that I, an Englishman, would choose to move from London to one of the most danger places in the world, me and thousands of others, including the editor of this excellent blog and a certain Nick Kopaloff who you may remember in the context of underwear.

    The battle against the Arab armies after WW2 was an impressive victory and has continually angered Islam. Their victory over you would drive them into a frenzy and then it would be off to Europe. Although they will not defeat Israel, depending whether or not Iran gets the ‘bomb’. Britain is filling up with Muslims. More so the social indoctrination has continued for over 50 years. We have a big battle on our hands.

    And throughout all of this and against impossible odds we never threw in the towel, never despaired, never gave in to hatred and never looked to barmy extremists to do our dirty work.

    Be strong oh Winnie. It’s in your hands!

    Our biggest fight is not against Islam in the West but against our own people. I have just finished an article on my blog called “There’s only one thing worse than an Islamist and that’s Islamic apologists”. As I said civilisations are not murdered but commit suicide and Liberalism is our suicide. It’s not about despair, but reality. If Britain’s to go it will and then all the utopian morons who think we can all live in peace will feel more the fool, having successfully destroyed their only defence as they kneel with head bowed as the Muslim lops off his head.

  50. Winston the Smithy

    Daniel Marks,

    1. Hitler found a Germany with terrible economic, political and social problems and left a country literally in ruins with more than 7,000,000 Germans dead. Were they alive I believe they too might take issue.

    That was the cost of war. It also left Britain in a mess and destroyed her Empire and Germany is in a better shape than Britain today. Death is a cost of war and many made that choice when they chose to support Hitler. They knew what was going to happen. Most of Germany wanted to give pay back to the French after WW1.

    2. About 160,000 German Jews were murdered. I know not the number of gypsies, homosexuals, Socialists, freemasons, priests and many others who were murdered by the Godsend. They too were Germans who might beg to differ.

    Not part of Hitler’s Aryan race and semites. That’s why he killed them. As you know.

    3. Finally, when you used the expression godsend. I’m curious to know which God exactly did you have in mind.

    I’m using the Godsend to describe a relief to the German people who had suffered badly after WW1.

  51. Winston the Smithy

    Joey Garfinkel,

    In your humble opinion should the BNP promote tourism by British Jews to the Land of Milk and Honey – on a one-way ticket?

    Well what do you think?
    If you’re not going to read what I have to write then why should I reply to yours? I have written much on my blog. Read it.

    If you want to know more about BNP policy write to them. I am not a spokesman or a member of the BNP. I am merely a Briton, who can see the UK going down the plughole with no parties speaking on immigration and Islam. UKIP are speaking of the EU but utterly oblivious to Islam.

  52. Joey Garfinkel

    Winston,
    My comments are directed at the seemingly truncated sentences: “…I believe that Jewish people should have their own lands. I also believe that there are many upon many Jewish people who have integrated into the West over many generations.”
    Do you mean “should have their own lands and go there” or is having a land but not going there also ok?
    To save the back-and forth, the status of British ex-pats around the world is the follow-on question.

  53. Winston the Smithy

    Joey Garfinkel,

    Do you mean “should have their own lands and go there” or is having a land but not going there also ok?

    I believe that Israel should have its own land and be able to move freely into the UK and back again.

    To save the back-and forth, the status of British ex-pats around the world is the follow-on question.

    I will answer all the above in the following:

    My disagreement of immigration in the UK is cheap 2nd & 3rd world immigrants coming into the UK. Sadly, these peoples tend to be non white, so this is always where the race debate comes in. Unskilled 2nd & 3rd World immigrants cost the UK far more than they give to us. Take your average Somalian for example. They come to the UK with no money and they’re predominately Muslim, along with families. Immediately they’re moved up the list into accommodation fro a council/housing association house. They then receive benefits. They are not screened for TB or AIDS either, growing yet more in the UK. They have no skills with which to offer the UK and therefore become a burden to the taxpayer in having to be educated, not forgetting translation costs as there’s high chance they don’t speak English. Therefore they cost in social security, housing benefit, education, translation, medical. Then there is also the situation of them being Muslim, alien to our culture with no loyalty to it.

    Now let’s take Jewish people for example. All Jewish people I’ve come across are well educated and skilled. Therefore they instantly benefit the economy, do not receive social and housing benefits but start paying into the economy through taxation via work. They commit no crime and respect our laws and cultures not trying to impose their own, although many if not all integrate(apart from the Orthodox who keep themselves to themselves but still cause no trouble and benefit the economy).

    The above can be said for the majority of the people from the 1st world. 2nd and 3rd world immigrants will work but they’re unskilled status will give them low paid jobs and they will therefore keep the minimum wage down due to abundance of workers prepared to work for a low British wage but worth far more back home(average yearly wage of a Somalian is £250 = 1 months unemployed Job Seeker’s allowance – do the maths!)

    2nd and 3rd world immigration is destroying the UK and our governments lie about this all the time. Go to migrationwatch website and have a look for yourself for all statistics. Governments want unskilled immigration in the UK because it does a few things:
    1. Keeps minimum wage static
    2. Benefits their business buddies maximising their profits while keeping wage down and a never ending surplus of immigrant labour
    3. Automatically creates a voting electorate for the government that allows them in.

    As for Ex pats, well, if the countries they go to allow them to live as they want then that’s their choice. However ex pats around the world do not go to other countries and live off the dole(unemployment benefit). You will find that the countries ex pats go to they have skills and trades and are only allowed in under certain conditions. Here in the UK anyone gets in regardless of medical status, criminal status, education status, skill status. If I wanted to live in Australia I’d need skills, money, no criminal record, a sponsor and no disease. The same also for America and Canada.

    Our country is being destroyed as more and more people pour in with no loyalty to it, no education, no skills, criminal records, hegemony ideas, hatred for our people and culture and disease. We were never asked about this. There are many proceedings going on to take the politicians to court for their treason and sedition(check Albert Burgess on my blog videos). The damage to the UK over the last 50 years will very possibly end up in civil war and the eventual trial and execution of hundreds of MP’s. I’d be the executioner and do it for free. Just give me an axe and bring out the traitors. They have destroyed this country.

  54. Winston the Smithy

    Joey Garfinkel,

    The following is a post I put on another forum about illegal immigrants:

    “The word illegal immigrant means those who have come here who shouldn’t be. That can work in many ways. They could have come here as a tourist and never gone home, overstayed a work or student visa or simply smuggled themselves in.

    First off, why should Britain accept people from other countries to work when we already have our own people and over 2 million people unemployed?

    Secondly, immigration does many things:
    1. Keeps the minimum wage static and the helps increase the cost ofliving while the standard remains the same.
    2. Creates more profits for business bosses by minimizing wage costs.
    3. Over burdens transport, educational and health systems.
    4. Doesn’t benefit the economy as the government tries to brainwash the people, via the MSM in thinking so. Much of an immigrant’s wages goes to their home country, where the Pound sterling is worth a lot more.
    5. It has been proven that an immigrant only starts benefitting the economy after having worked paying tax for over 20 years. This is taking into account educational and medical benefits of either them or their children in society.
    6. And this utterly ridiculous argument of “They do the jobs British people won’t do” is pathetic and false. Take for example a Polish immigrant who cam e over after they were admitted to the EU. The average worker in a factory earned £200 a month back home. In the same job here they earned £1000. It means a 5 times more earning potential in the UK compared to home. A flat in Warsaw costs £50k. A person in Poland on £2,400 a year would take 20 years to buy it outright. Working in the UK it would take them 4 years. This shows that most of their income would not go into the economy as the normal Brit but pump up the Polish one. In other words immigration causes economic suicide. Politicians promote it because it helps their business buddies and benefactors to keep paying a low wage, thus making huge profits for themselves – GREED.
    7. Immigration also goes towards cultural colonisation, especially those who have no intention of integrating but living by their own culture and instilling it over the dominant one thanks to Human Rights laws.

    Thirdly, why in earth should Britain be accepting immigrants from non western cultures? This is cultural suicide, especially from cultures that utterly despise Judeo-Christian civilisation. More so, foreign cultures leaving their culture not only put burdens on ours as in the second list of reasons but also create a gap in their own country’s workforce. Instead of other people coming to the UK to live in a Western society, they should see the benefits and turn their own country into a Western country, by living by our ideals.

    The really sad reality of all this is that illegal immigrants just haven’t a clue on the future that they’re creating. It is blatant ignorance and will create a nightmare controlled society. Illegal immigrants who come to the UK and continue to break their visa agreements becoming fugitives will create a scenario where the government will have no choice but implement draconian, totalitarian measures. It will mean that one possibility will be to implant chips in order to track those who come to the UK whether on holiday, to study or to work. How else will the authorities track illegals? There are so many scammers in the UK that passports, false id’s and NI numbers are given out willy nilly. If you do not start respecting other countries then they will start to not respect you and create a nightmare future.

    Illegal means they shouldn’t be here and all asylum and visa applications must be done in immigrants own lands, not turn up in the UK. We have just also seen in the newspapers that illegal immigrants who turn up are costing the taxpayer millions just waiting for their applications to be dealt with. Is this fair? All this does is also create more and more resentment by the British people towards immigrants, again creating a nightmare future where racism will become the norm because of constant abuse from immigrants.

    You should go to the website http://www.migrationwatchuk... and http://www.balancedmigratio...and have a read at just what immigration and illegal immigration is doing to the UK, our culture and economy. It’s killing the Golden goose and the more illegals and immigrants pour into the UK, the more it will turn from a 1st world into a 3rd world country.”

  55. David Kornbluth

    Winston,

    I agree that Islam is a threat to the world, and that each country suffering same, has for its own historical reasons allowed that threat to creep into its own domain.

    I may even agree that there are certain countries that were better off under British rule. However in the main people in those countries valued their own freedom above all else. Some isolated incidents of regret hardly negate that fact. In the same way that there are plenty of liberals in all countries welcoming immigrants, this doesn’t mean that all do. As a libertarian you should have no problem seeing the validity in that choice of freedom over alien culture, from their viewpoint – hence Africa the continent is no longer colonized, and hence France suffers much Muslim immigration. It is the result of the attempt to control the worlds resources that European countries now suffer from immigration from those “backwards” places…

    Immigration is however an attempt by the government to alleviate some of the poverty and suffering in the world. It may not be liked by you, and i expect that Indians and “Pakis” who moved even non muslim ones similarly were not.
    Similarly the Jews who moved at the turn of the last century were also disliked but over time have only been very productive to UK society.

    However the children of non Muslim immigrants are today doctors lawyers and accountants and productive members of society by and large even if Asian in origin. Most will say that they are british, drink beer, play cricket or football and love their new homes.

    When the UK doesn’t cow tow to Muslim sensitivities and restores the Holocaust to mainstream education then you may find that Muslims question their own beliefs. You in the meantime are welcome to visit any Holocaust museum or read a book by a recognized historian like Martin Gilbert.

    My grandparents were in camps and one killed the guards with his hands leading to the families escape so i have first hand knowledge – e.g. of an uncle who was mutilated in Auschwitz, among many others.

    Islam is a threat, however hatred is a threat in any form. Loving your culture does not mean you need to hate others. Loving your wife does not mean you cannot appreciate other women. Why cant you say that we have a great culture that will benefit from diversity in the same way that Israel benefits from the diversity of culture that mass immigration from all over the world has brought.

    PS economically a low minimum wage had nothing to do with immigrants, as you said they claim benefits anyway. A low minimum wage is necessary to keep UK business competitive and working, as you must know that much is being produced around the world for relatively no wages.

    To conclude, you are angry and perhaps rightly so but only you have lost as a result of your anger, as did the German people as a result of their hate. Blaming others for your societies problems is an ancient ill and sadly seems to be alive and well today. So consider this

    “In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
    And then… they came for me… And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

    Hate begets hate!

    ps Germany is also overrun with Turks.
    Visit and you may not be too happy.
    🙂

  56. David Kornbluth

    So what has come out of Britain, what makes Britain great in your opinion because if its just History then its all over for you.

    What has in the past and can keep Britain Great is the following:

    I. The rule of law. Our society is based on the idea that we all abide by the same rules, whatever our wealth or status. No one is above the law – not even the government.

    II. The sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament. The Lords, the Commons and the monarch constitute the supreme authority in the land. There is no appeal to any higher jurisdiction, spiritual or temporal.

    III. The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals.

    IV. Personal freedom. There should be a presumption, always and everywhere, against state coercion. We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.

    V. Private property. Freedom must include the freedom to buy and sell without fear of confiscation, to transfer ownership, to sign contracts and have them enforced. Britain was quicker than most countries to recognise this and became, in consequence, one of the happiest and most prosperous nations on Earth.

    VI. Institutions. British freedom and British character are immanent in British institutions. These are not, mostly, statutory bodies, but spring from the way free individuals regulate each other’s conduct, and provide for their needs, without recourse to coercion.

    VII. The family. Civic society depends on values being passed from generation to generation. Stable families are the essential ingredient of a
    stable society.

    VIII. History. British children inherit a political culture, a set of specific legal rights and obligations, and a stupendous series of national achievements. They should be taught about these things.

    IX. The English-speaking world. The atrocities of September 11, 2001, were not simply an attack on a foreign nation; they were an attack on the anglosphere – on all of us who believe in freedom, justice and the rule of law.

    X. The British character. Shaped by and in turn shaping our national institutions is our character as a people: stubborn, stoical, indignant at injustice. “The Saxon,” wrote Kipling, “never means anything seriously till he talks about justice and right.”

    I think that Britain has a great history and culture but hate does not fit in with that in any way, shape or form.

  57. Winston the Smithy,

    Celts, Germans, Saxons and Vikings, it sounds as if they all originated from more or less the same part of the world. My simple mind is telling me modern day Germany and / or Scandinavia. That said, doesn’t Central Europe include Poland, Belarus, Latvia, and the Slavic areas among others?

    “I beg your pardon? Do you not find that an exceptionally insulting and arrogant comment to make?”

    I beg your pardon too?

    For this,

    “There is nothing a 3rd or a 2nd world country can bring to the UK to better it.”
    (Sounds as fool hardy as the soccer pundit who said you can’t win anything with kids)

    And among other comments this,

    “And please, don’t talk about labour because if you knew your economics, cheap imported foreign labour undercuts indigenous workers and keeps the minimum wage static as it has been in the UK for the last 20 years.”
    (Too many people carp on about this during economic booms never mind economic slumps)

    Do you not find that exceptionally insulting and arrogant if not slightly patronizing and ignorant?

    Moreover, as statements they seem underwhelming false?

    1) The UK helped make it ‘Great’ by bringing in plenty from 2nd and 3rd world countries. You cannot argue with the role Britain played in the slave trade, at one time accounting for the majority of its foreign trade. That’s not to deny the positive role played by British abolitionists to counteract this. Cynics might argue however, that the abolition of slavery had as much to do with the bottom falling out of the market for slaves as it did to do with the diplomatic efforts made by abolitionists.

    Britain along with the other European Colonial powers raped Africa of its resources to get increasingly wealthy. Is it ok for Brits to take from 2nd and 3rd world countries but not for 2nd and 3rd world countries to “bring”?

    2) Cheap and imported labour restores equilibrium to labour markets, especially when its indigenous workers will not meet market demands in terms of price and skill. Neo-classical and monetarist economists assert that a flexible supply of labour is necessary to meet market demand on a micro-level in order to attain sustained economic growth on a macro-level. In Britain’s case this implies importing labour. A similar principle applies to other markets for goods and services e.g. with textiles and is of great added value.

    “The modern world is a legacy of the Roman Empire. That’s quite a generalising comment to also make.”

    Not exactly, the modern world is influenced in part by the legacy of the Roman Empire, in part by the ancient Greeks, in part by modern industrial history and probably by many other things too. The Roman legacy in the UK is clear to see e.g. roads and also pubs at the side of roads, I digress.

    The USA is another colonial legacy. I believe some Brits pride themselves too much upon US achievements. Ok the Americans speak English, otherwise European immigrants played a big part in making America too, probably more so than British. Not to mention plenty of other races, coming from different walks of life e.g. the Irish, though I’m biased.

    The case of America defeats also, your argument about immigration. Much of America’s talent came by the way of cheap labor imports. Central and Eastern European Jewish immigration is one example of many. Its current weakening state is due arguably to its restriction of immigration. The talent goes elsewhere to other emerging powers.

    “However to answer your question simply, Great civilisations and Empires are never murdered – they commit suicide and this is what’s happening to the West……… The Vikings could never be matched by ferocity and warfare(well most of the time) but they committed suicide with integration.”

    Empires are built by humans. Humans in the majority of cases are not suicidal; they have life spans which expire just like empires.

    “Therefore they set about devising a plan with which to destroy it from within. You will know one of these plans as Gramsci hegemony. The complete We will fail for one reason – Liberalism. Liberalism will utterly destroy the West. Marxist Theorists realised that the only way to destroy the West was to destroy its belief in its self. restructure of a society, flood it with other cultures, destroy its morals and principles, teach its indigenous to hate their country and heritage and sit back and watch them all attack one another.”

    A libertarian who is anti – liberalism??

    Correct me if I’m wrong. I believe the works of Marx and the works of Marxist theorists are in many cases are very different.

    “Also look at how feminism and of course the rise of homosexuality(gay rights and control over heterosexuality) is destroying western society ”

    I beg your pardon again!

    “Feminist control frightens males to have childrenand get into a family…”

    In some cases this is true.

    “……for the reason that women can utterly destroy them,”

    I beg your pardon for a third time! This last comment really is insulting and arrogant.
    Women carry men for nine months, give birth to men and in many cases help men to be the best that they can be. Women don’t destroy men. Women make men. I think those remarks above are both homophobic (are you afraid of your home?!) and overtly chauvanistic.

    “We now live in a matriarchal west and when using that to combat a patriarchal society that is Islam, Islam will dominate.”

    As long as females give birth, spending more time and effort on caring for and educating their offspring with ideas and thought processes which will remain engrained on their offspring’s subconscious’s for life. All society is matriarchal. Particularly, in Orthodox Jewish homes where the role of the woman as a matriarch is eulogized every Friday night in a series of verses entitled, Eshes Chayil -Woman of Valour.Women are the bosses of Jewish homes! Why do you think the race and the faith has survived for so long? Unfortunately, Islam copied the monotheism and not the maternal things.

    “The social indoctrination of the UK and the west under 50 years of School of Frankfurt Marxist theory is working like a dream. I look at it simply Marxism is like AIDS. It destroys the bodies protection system and Islam is like a common cold. Mixed with AIDS it will kill the host”

    Marx again! Get over Marx! Stop this Marxist postulating!

    “Again, looking at history the Moslem countries of the period from the 7th to say the 15th century made great cultural advances in many fields while Europe remained backward.”
    This is also under speculation of late. It is now considered that the inventions of Islam between these periods was not Islamic invention but instead stolen from the people of the lands they invaded.
    After all, when you’re living in a society where there is a dominant people (Muslims) who are controlling everyone else (Non Muslims) under their Sharia Law, making non Muslims pay the Jizyah and live a restricted life, do you really think they’re going to accredit in their history books that the Jew[insert a name] or the Christian [insert a name] or the Zoroastrian [insert a name] invented the [insert invention/advancement] within their land controlled by Islam? I doubt that very much”

    Moslem history is a neglected subject in western countries. I don’t know enough about it to argue convincingly for or against the above comments. Here’s what I know.

    The Muslims / Moslems originate from the Arabian Peninsula, situated South of the fertile crescent, consisting almost entirely of desert. It was bordered on the east by Persia, on the south by the Arabian Sea and on the west by the Red sea. This area includes modern day Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and Yemen.
    The Peninsula was inhabited by primitive and nomadic tribes who wandered from oasis to oasis without any centralized authority. The Arab tribes depended upon their herds. The tribes would raid each in the event of loss of herd through drought or pestilence to replenish their source of livelihood.
    The Peninsula also had permanent settlements where trade caravans would stop. Mohammed a traveling merchant and self declared prophet had an ambition among other ambitions to unite the Arabs and stop the tit for tat raids. Mohammed founded Islam from the Arab word, meaning submission. Islam was imposed upon the Arab tribes by Mohammed through force. Once an Arab tribe accepted Islam as its religion, its fellow tribes were disallowed from raiding it. Tribes that had not accepted Mohammed as a prophet were acceptable targets for pillage and robbery. By the time of Mohammed’s death, most of the Arabian Peninsula consisted of believers whom it was forbidden to attack.
    Mohammed’s succession was the subject of conflict between his father in law and his son in law. Ali the son in law was passed over in favour of Abu Bekr. This event laid the foundation for a split in the faith which still exists. In the ensuing decades the followers of Ali founded the Shiite sect which is most fanatical. Ali’s son Hussein and his family were killed by a military force sent by one of the early Caliphs (supreme religious leader and ruler). The Shiites eagerness to sacrifice their lives and become martyrs stems from this event.
    Mohammed’s rule of not attacking “believers” meant many tribes were denied of an important source of income from raiding. This economic problem was solved by the first Caliph Abu Bekr. There was no prohibition of attacking infidels (non believers). All neighboring lands therefore became fitting targets for attack in order to solve the problem and to fulfill one of the religion’s main duties which was to convert others. This solution became a 6th canonical obligation. The 6 commandments became:

    1. Believe in one G-d and in Mohammed as his prophet.
    2. Pray 5 times a day facing Mecca.
    3. Give alms to the poor
    4. Fast of Ramadan
    5. Annual pilgrimage to Mecca
    6. Holy war “jihad” against the non-believers

    How an obscure and primitive bunch of tribes managed to overcome mighty empires is ostensibly not clear. It happened very quickly over the course of a century.

    “I think that Islam has brought the world nothing quite frankly other than totalitarianism, oppression, death and fear to many peoples of this world. And it continues to do so.”

    I disagree. Consider 10th century Spain, Abd–el Rahman took up arms against Charlemagne and drove him out of the country. Spain became detached from recognized centers of Islam to become the capital of western Islam. A new seat of government was established in Cordoba, which became a centre of high culture. The Caliph founded a university in Cordoba and he was responsible for a flourishing of civilized activity in political, economic and intellectual spheres. The Jews of Spain were among the principal beneficiaries and catalysts of this surge of activity and brought a rich contribution to the culture of the Moslem golden age.

  58. Bloody hell, haven’t any of you got jobs?!

    This discussion (in many ways cross-culture) is really fascinating, and – though I disagree with many of his views – I thank Winston for confronting the issues and taking the time to reply to contributors individually.

    As Jews, we cannot support the BNP (even if it was run by someone less poisonous than most of us believe Nick Griffin still to be). Sadly, we know persecution, and recognise potential persecutors, only too well.

    The point of my original post, however – if it is still not clear (even from the title alone) – is that the options for the “ethnically” British voter, these days, are far from obvious. Let’s be honest, if we weren’t Jewish, would we be more worried about the Islamisation of our country, or about Nick Griffin’s past utterings about Jews and the Holocaust?

    For those of you who prefer not to read every word that I write – but, rather, to jump to conclusions – I wouldn’t waste my spit on Nick Griffin.

    But burying our heads in the sand about the far more complex reality in Britain these days, especially for Jews, helps no one.

    Mike

    PS Not entirely unrelated to all of this is the sudden, sickening, seemingly universal adoption by the English of Andy Murray, this week. Since when has anyone/thing so Scottish been embraced as “British”?! Race apart, he’s a miserable twat, and I hope he gets knocked out in the next round!

  59. Nick Kopaloff

    Winston,

    I am reminded of the telling World War II story about the translator attached to Russian Special Forces carrying out covert maneuvers behind German enemy lines in Latvia during Operation Barbarossa in 1941. He did a terrible job. For he spoke not a word of German, nor a word of Russian. His Latvian was not brilliant either.

    I put it to you Winston, that figuratively speaking, you are that translator.

    But he was concerned about the fate of his people, they said in his defense after he had inadvertently caused the death of his entire platoon by disclosing their secret location when trying to negotiate buying some bread from a Latvian farmer who then informed the Wehrmacht.

    Concerned? By golly why should you not be concerned? The fabric of your world is disintegrating before your very eyes and you want to jump onto the BNP lifeboat to save your county. But it is no lifesaving craft, it is the harbinger of doom and look overhead Winston, it has “Titanic” written on its bow. So don’t bother cleaning the British-made deckchairs as they go down.

    When I made mention of Islamophobia, you did me a disservice by unleashing a scathing attack. But rest assured, paranoia does not mean your fears are misguided. Many phobias are as real as the day is long. Yes, certain liberal think tanks promoting the kind of cultural diversity to which you are averse, paint Islamophobia in the negative light of discrimination, prejudice and intolerance. But you raise legitimate concerns about the alarming exponential growth of a repressive and radical mutation of the Mohammedian faith. So do try to scratch beneath the surface rather than resort to cheap chants of “conversation killer” and “proving my irrationality”, and you may discover a diamond of good judgment hidden under the topsoil.

    But on the flip side Winston, you may have been ingratiated by a few of my coreligionists with similar “Islamophobic” concerns who perhaps believe the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But you will hear no such rhetoric from my mouth – the BNP with its deep implicit anti-semitism remains firmly outside the consensus.

    So why not proudly hoist high the flag of nationalism if it is not fueled by hatred nor nourished solely by a revulsion to a “lower order”. For is not your nation just an extension of your family and would a man be condemned for wanting to save his family from the clutches of adversity? I think not.

    But just as a porcupine protects itself in the face of adversity by releasing a quill, you Winston in your inflatable dinghy are dangerously losing quills by the dozen. And drowning porcupines make for lousy translators.

  60. David Kornbluth

    Nick,

    Nicely said, any distaste for Islam that i may infer does not in any way equate for support for the BNP.

    I for one find it sad but ironic that Britain who refused to blow up the train tracks leading to Auschwitz is now suffering this cultural dilemma.

    In fact even more ironic is that this so called Nationalist Libertarian visitor is seemingly so understanding of the Germans in the war and proclaims their status today.

    You cant change the Smithy a review of his site makes his point loud and clear that the BNP is the only party to vote for – so don’t expect that to change.

    Loved the “drowning porcupines make for lousy translators” but no doubt if you haven’t realized your words will fall on deaf ears.

  61. Hold on a minute, Nick . . .

    Let me remind you what you wrote to Winston just yesterday:

    “So with respect to . . . your Islamophobia; if you are resigned to voting BNP then your misguided conclusion should result in your exclusion from this and other privately run mouthpieces.”

    But a mere 24 hours later:

    “But rest assured, paranoia does not mean your fears are misguided. Many phobias are as real as the day is long. Yes, certain liberal think tanks promoting the kind of cultural diversity to which you are averse, paint Islamophobia in the negative light of discrimination, prejudice and intolerance. But you raise legitimate concerns about the alarming exponential growth of a repressive and radical mutation of the Mohammedian faith.”

    So, yesterday, you were telling me to “exclude” Winston from melchett mike – for expressing his intention to vote for a legal party? – whilst, today, you describe his concerns as “real” and “legitimate”.

    Talk about “Doublethink”! (Nineteen Eighty-Four, again . . . for those who haven’t read it.)

    Certainly doesn’t sound very “rational” to me, Nick.

  62. Winston the Smithy

    David Kornbluth (June 24, 2009 at 10:14 am),

    Immigration is however an attempt by the government to alleviate some of the poverty and suffering in the world.

    No. Immigration to the UK under NuLabour was done to keep the minimum wage down, bring in a new electorate and destror the British culture.

    However the children of non Muslim immigrants are today doctors lawyers and accountants and productive members of society by and large even if Asian in origin. Most will say that they are british, drink beer, play cricket or football and love their new homes.

    As I’ve already explained many times. Britishness is not something that you can pick up in a shop for 50p. Britishness is not also giving birth to a child on UK soil. Britishness is culture, history and heritage all wrapped up into one. There are very few Africans who are going to agree in the slave trade and yet there are many British people who realised how it benefited greatly the descendants of them. Black people in the UK will attack the slave trade and the wars between the British and their ancestors, yet this is British history and heritage, the wars fought and victories gained. Blacks living in the USA and America forget that the slave trade gave them a home far better than anything they could have got in Africa. When Africans or other non EU peoples move to the UK, they have that ancestry not a British one. That is noticed yet more when our education system has to adapt to teach their history – i.e. integration to them is two way(you have some of my culture and I’ll have some of yours) and that’s wrong.

    Islam is a threat, however hatred is a threat in any form. Loving your culture does not mean you need to hate others.

    I don’t hate other cultures, but it’s quite simple really. Should I choose to immerse myself in a foreign culture, I’ll go to that land and do it. Cultural colonisation destroys other countries. We fought wars in the past to stop this exact thing.

    PS economically a low minimum wage had nothing to do with immigrants, as you said they claim benefits anyway. A low minimum wage is necessary to keep UK business competitive and working, as you must know that much is being produced around the world for relatively no wages.

    You should do some history and you’ll notice that in the last 20 years the cost of living and basic goods have jumped up averaging 300% to 400+%. The minimum wage has risen by 76% or so since that time. It is an exceptionally unfair balance. A low minimum wage does one thing makes workers poorer and bosses/shareholders richer. It’s called exploitation. Immigrant labour keeps the wage down because the pound is worth more in their home than in the UK. I can’t believe people still fall for the propaganda you preach. The solution to the UK is to either increase the minimum wage to £9.60 or bring the cost of everything else down by 225%. It’s called greed and that’s why the minimum wage is low and immigration high – basic economics.

    To conclude, you are angry and perhaps rightly so but only you have lost as a result of your anger, as did the German people as a result of their hate. Blaming others for your societies problems is an ancient ill and sadly seems to be alive and well today. So consider this

    I’ll blame the government all the way. They made the rules that have ripped this country apart, allowed Islam to grow, destroyed our culture, heaped oppression via continues anti terrorism laws….I could go on but I won’t. You should get the picture.

    Hate begets hate!

    and sitting back allowing your country to be continually invaded will destroy it – kill the golden goose no more golden eggs. When western civilisation falls thanks to an influx from everywhere else then the world’s f*cked. If foreign countries like Britain so much they should change, instead of Britain. Remember, everyone’s trying to get into the UK, British people aren’t trying to get everywhere else(well not true. White flight is becoming a reality because of immigration as we watch our country being destroyed by mass immigration.)

  63. Winston the Smithy

    All,

    I bow out here. Thank you for the debate. It’s been interesting to say the least. But I can’t keep repeating myself over and over and over again. All we’ll do is disagree and keep going round and round in circles. Immigration, Islam, economics, history, culture, multiculturalism, etc . . . I have answered all of you more than fully, but you are repeating the same questions now.

    Really I am not the one to talk to regarding the demise of Britain. If you want to understand my views then read my blog. I’m a nationalist and most of you are very liberal. I despise liberalism and you no doubt despise nationalism.

    I hope Israel flourishes, but I just wonder what you would all feel like if other cultures started flooding in and changing it. And I wonder what would happen if new resolutions meant you had to start allowing more and more Muslims in.

    We can’t please everyone but we can some. I intend to stick with the latter instead of trying to make everyone happy which time has proven is an impossibility. You all have your views and I mine, so I’ll leave you all with a simple, well known phrase: “East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet.”

    I’m sure your host, Mike, will keep you entertained. I’ll drop by from time to time to have a read.

    Best wishes,

    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

  64. As regards the lack of options for ‘ethnic’ British voters, here’s a hypothetical and a highly unlikely alternative, the current Mayor of London.

    I believe he might fall foul of Winston the Smithy’s criteria for being British, simply because he’s described himself as being a ‘one man melting pot.’ Melting pot and multiculturalism are often used side by side hence the potential dislike.

    On the other hand, ‘Bonking Boris’ seems to possess by anecdote an undeniably British character trait, perhaps the sense of fair play.

    The story told on TV’s (Treife vision) room 101. As he rode on his bicycle in and around London, passing drivers would wind down their windows shouting, ‘Tory tosser!’ in his general direction. This was received apparently in good humour.

    If Boris Johnson put himself in the running for number 10, I dare say he’d win more than a fair number of popular votes. Indeed, this lazy voter would get off his apathetic posterior and vote Tory should that happen, otherwise not.

    Another quote:
    “The gaffe-prone London Mayor ridiculed as “just blah” calls for parents to have control over education. The dad of four ranted: “As a father, I don’t want to waste my time at some blooming consultation with teachers, jostling for attention with sharp-elbowed mums. I don’t want control over my kids’ education, I want teachers to have control.” And he told a political magazine the “last thing” teachers needed was talks with “a load of ghastly and ill-informed parents”.”

    Superb.

    The crux of the matter seems to be this.

    Britain is an island which needs to import things. Its cities are densely populated. Its prisons are overpopulated. Its infrastructure struggles to accommodate its existing population.

    One of Winston’s the Smithy’s suggestion’s was to have places put aside for anarchy.

    Why?

    Maybe all the dross of Britain could be rounded up, there is lots of it. Dole dossers, thieves, child abusers, rapists, murderers, violent crooks, granny muggers, neighbourhood nuisances etc. Deport them to the Island of anarchy. Replace them with cherry picked immigrants and factors of production who, will stay to help the economy grow. Given time, the anarchy islands might even transform themselves into Australia, mark two.

  65. Thanks again, Winston.

    The irony, of course, is that some proud Zionists on melchett mike – who, like me, are proponents of a national homeland for Jews, and who live in and love Israel – castigate Winston for his nationalism!

    And, before you start screaming “There’s a difference!”, compare Israel’s immigration and other policies relating to race – necessary, I believe – with those of Britain . . .

    It might make extremely uncomfortable reading for all of you who like to think of yourselves as “multicultural liberals”.

  66. Winston the Smithy seems to have gotten away with at least one thing.

    When called a racist he responded with an argument that Trotsky invented the word to mean the opposite. A Google search on the etymology of racism indicates that the word dates back to the nineteenth century, years before Trotsky’s time. A Google search for Trotsky on racism brings up a plethora of anti-Jewish forums with all the old, vile conspiracy nonsense. Apparently, Griffin y’mach shemo made the same argument on Newsnight a while ago.

    Well done David Kornbluth’s grandparent for the act of heroism in the camps, he must have been or must be a legend.

    When I was a kid in rainy Manchester, Rabbi Ellinson Tz’L said at the end of a sicha/talk, “If a Nazi y’mach shemo were to walk into this room right now, it would be a mitzvah to take a knife and stech him.”

    Everybody cheered because it lifted the spirits to hear a great speaker’s fighting talk in response to adversity and genocide. Consequently, he told everybody off for being disruptive.

    On a more humane note, I heard this from a reliable source: the Rambam says in his thirteen attributes of faith to believe in the concept of reward and punishment and we are all responsible for each other.

  67. Aw, do you feel displaced Mike? Israel feel more like home? I know some Palestinians you can invite over to your place if it gets lonely. They’d be well keen and you can discuss your feelings.

  68. Does anyone know where Winston the Smithy is?

    He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Many other friends and I are very worried about him.

  69. Michael Goldman

    I heard that he did tshuva and is learning in a Satmar yeshiva in Bnei Brak.

  70. No idea, Daniel. His blog, The Destruction of Britain, appears to have vanished!

    I sent him an email a while back, after publishing Why I Am Not (Really) an Englishman, because I thought he might be interested in the subject matter. I never heard back from him, which I thought strange, because he was very communicative back then.

    I have just sent him another email. Will keep you posted.

    PS “T’shuva” for what, Michael? Having the balls to tell it as it is?!

  71. Michael Goldman

    Maybe for supporting an anti-semitic bunch of fascists, Mike!

  72. Michael, you may consider it impossible for someone to vote BNP and not be an “anti-Semite” and a “fascist”.

    Others may have a similar “blanket” view about every person who lives in the West Bank.

    Personally, I do not accept either standpoint, as they oversimplify complex issues.

    If you are interested in those issues (rather than just cliches), re-read what Winston (and, indeed, what I) wrote above.

    I don’t think it is all so straightforward.

  73. During the recent war in Gaza, only one British Political Party was completely supportive of Israel……the BNP.

    Whilst the party is filled with Ant-Semites, Nazis, bigots and malcontents, at least they stand up to the Muslims, and sometimes, my enemies enemy could be my friend?

    I don’t pretend to have any answers.

  74. Moshe Goldman,

    You have reached a new low attacking poor Winny when he is clearly unable to reply. Shame on you!

    To Me Winny was foremost a friend and I miss him very much.

    He seemed to believe in numerous Islamic conspiracy theories and now that he’s disappeared I can’t help but wonder whether he was right. Perhaps he is now languishing in some miserable underground cellar In Dunton Basset with those others who dared to speak the truth and are unaccounted for.

    He was without doubt a fascist, but he was our fascist and he had grace to hold himself while those around him crawled.

    He was no man’s lackey. More than any other Neo-Nazi I knew he watched the things you gave his life to, broken, And stooped to build ’em up with worn-out tools.

    Winny, I know not where you are or whether my words shall reach you but on behalf of all your true friends on this excellent blog let me paraphrase and say:

    You shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary you, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember you.

  75. Michael Goldman

    Mike, maybe you should re-read what I wrote.
    I did not accuse Winny of being either a fascist or an anti-semite, however of giving support to a party so obviously is.
    Not all of Hitler’s supporters were anti-semitic.
    Many of them voted for him for many other reasons, but in was their support which enabled him to gain power.

    Dan, I propose a minutes silence for all Neo-Nazis who have so far been unable to achieve their goals.

  76. And I did not write that you “accuse[d] Winny of being either a fascist or an anti-semite”. I was referring to all individuals among the “anti-semitic bunch of fascists” (as you refer to the BNP).

    My post (above) and Winston’s blog are an attempt to deal with the deeper issues at play in Britain at the moment. Henri grasps them too. But, as you prove once again with your flippancy, you are not remotely interested in any depth . . .

  77. Ye, and another minute for the great big, blond haired skin-head called Pete who’s still looking for you.

    (Mike – Please feel free to remove this comment if you find the mental image of Moshe Goldman having his head kicked in by some enormous yok distaseful, or for any other editorial reasons.)

  78. Interesting article I was directed to on the BNP website.

    Particularly ‘eyebrow-raising’ is the last paragraph.

    http://bnp.org.uk/2009/10/behind-the-pretence-of-tolerance/

  79. There is also a slogan on the same page to ban Kosher butchery in the UK.

  80. Henri Berest

    I had a look Dovid – but couldn’t see it. Even if it is there, so what? It is very interesting how they now want jews as allies against their perceived ‘real’ enemies – Islam.
    I have no doubt that they will turn on us once they have fried their bigger fish, but I still found it quite an eye opener.
    Although this may be their ‘party line’, I found it useful to read the comments by BNP members below the article in response to the suggestions. It was more than surprising that the vast majority seemed to think it was an excellent idea to make friends with the Jews.

  81. Dovid Maslin

    Henry, on the right hand side of the page there is a sub heading, ‘groups’ with a picture of Kitchener underneath. Scroll down to the hyperlink, ‘Ban Kosher and Halal Butchery in the UK.’

    If the primary objection to the BNP is that they’re a bunch of Nazi’s, their natural response is maybe to go on a Jewish charm offensive and deny this.

    If they’re planning on frying bigger fish then banning kosher & halal might be their first step.

  82. Henri Berest

    Dovid,
    You may well be right, but playing devils advocate, there are plenty of politicians from the ‘mainstream’ parties who are also in favour of banning shechita.
    I wouldn’t touch the BNP with a bargepole and find their ‘conversion to Zionism’ nauseating and false, but it’s funny (ironic-funny) who they would now wish to join with in common cause.
    You really couldn’t make it up.

  83. Henri,

    I find the stun gun v ritual slaughter debate both interesting and informative. The Kosher food business is perhaps a valuable niche market within the UK economy and politicians in general could do worse than to protect its interests. Maybe that’s why, Jamie Oliver, contrary to the rumours has refrained from campaigning against it.

    I know at least 2 people with over 50 years experience in the kosher meat trade who voted BNP recently. One of them had 40 years experience working at an abattoir as a meat salesman and went by the name ‘Kosher Bill’. Maybe, they will or maybe they won’t think twice about biting the hand that’s feeding them in future.

    It seems a bit pathetic that the people of a country once invaded by Vikings have to resort to such actions in defence of their ethnicity.

  84. By way of postscript – or, perhaps, new chapter – in this thread, there has been the following development (which I publish with Winston the Smithy’s consent, if grudging) . . .

    Having not heard from Winston since he took his bow from melchett mike on June 25, 2009 (see his last comment above) – and having even grown to have respected him for what I perceived to be a certain integrity – I emailed Winston on March 16, 2010 as follows:

    Hi Winston.
    Still on this email?
    Whatever happened to you and your blog?
    Regards,
    Mike

    On March 20, I received the following reply:

    Dear Mike,
    My blog has been down for a while as you will no doubt have seen. I’ve had a very interesting and enlightening year so to say and my views have changed greatly since we last debated. In fact my views are the polar opposite of what they were since we last conversed, well almost that is.
    In my studies and research of which I’ve done a great deal of research, I have changed my stance on Israel. I have also changed my stance on world Jewry also as well as my support, on the BNP. As regards for Islam, well, I can’t ignore history. I can’t ignore Jihad, but what I can safely say is that western society is being played and Islam is the tool being used to create and instill fear into people of Islamisaton, which will make people’s anger come to a head resulting in much hatred for Muslims, resulting in a War on the Middle East. Thus, I’m beginning to have my doubts on Islamisation. I’m truly beginning to see the bigger picture here. I will be writing an extensive post into my metamorphosis to the much more enlightened being I am today, but I will explain a little to you, yourself being Jewish, that I bear no hatred or animosity to Jewry, although I do to part of it.
    In my research I have found that the Jews have been set up as much as anyone else in society. I realise that there are Jews who simply want to get on with their lives, Jews who want to live in Israel and just get on with their lives and Jews who want to live as Jewish nationals in their respective birth lands. I accept that, however I disagree vehemently, especially my research into the Talmud and the hatred and prejudice shown towards the Goy, which after all I am one.
    It is safe to say that there have been many powerful Jews who are predominantly Zionists, who seek to set up Zion and rule over the world. I have done extensive study into the New World Order, which has brought me into more understanding of Marxism, School of Frankfurt Marxist Critical Theory, The Illuminati, The American Federal Reserve, why the French, Russian revolutions and all other wars thereafter happened, the setting up of the Bank of England by Rothschild, WW1 & 2, the myth that is the Holocaust as 6 million Jews were not burned in a “whole fire” as we were led to believe, although there’s no question that Hitler wanted to persecute the Jews, I believe were sold out to him, by the Zionist bankers, financiers, arms dealers – Rothschilds and their respective associates….
    I know that you will find the above hard to accept especially after my pro stance on Israel before but sadly, I was ignorant, as are many people ignorant to what is really going on. The Jewish people, that is the true semitic Jewish people, one of the 12 sons of Israel who stem from Juddah, realise that Israel is an illegal state and they make up the minority of Jews. More so, we know that Judaism split, into those who follow the Torah and those the Talmud, not forgetting the fact that most of the Jews, if not all who want to live in Israel are in fact from Khazar bloodline, the Ashkenazi Jews. I have come to realise more and more also on the plot to destroy the western civilisation and sadly, many of those involved with it have infiltrated Universities and our establishments with which to destroy the Christian and western ways of life. To quote Willi Munzenberg of the School of Frankfurt, he said “We’ll make the west so corrupt that it stinks.” That’s some gratitude from a people who fled Germany to the west, to escape persecution from Stalin isn’t it?
    I know more and more now that much of what I’ve been told has been nothing but utter rubbish, nothing more than propaganda and there are many truly evil people in society who want nothing more than to control. I know without a doubt that there are Jews who simply want to get on with living their lives and do not blame ALL Jewry for the problems in the West, although many within, many of the elite, rich and powerful I do blame for the destruction of a brilliant civilisation, devolving into a police state.
    I felt it was only right that I let you be the first to know that I am no longer a supporter of Israel especially after our discussions. You may also have heard of a one John “The Birdman” Bryant, the late American philosopher who wrote much on the Jewish question. I have read much of what he has to say and do agree that Jews, in the West took control of the Establishments so as to never again be evicted and exiled as they have so many countries in the past. I also agree very much that modern Liberalism is very much the creation of the Jews, which they thought would bring peace when in fact it’s doing the opposite.
    It is too easy to join the pieces of the puzzle to see the wider picture and it truly is a disturbing one that I truly believe will result in catastrophic bloodshed, whether or not the New World order accomplishes its goals or the people rebel against them. What I will say though is that many people are waking up to the very fact that prominent members of Jewry have played a very big part in the creation of the New World Order and the total control and subjugation of the peoples, not just of the western civilisation but the world. I fear Mike, that because of continued tampering with the people of the West, the Jews are setting themselves up for a big fall, because I think they don’t realise that the wool is dropping from covering too many people’s eyes.
    Karma always happens and from my research I’m simply amazed at just how much control of the western society Jews have. They make up 2% of the American population and 0.5% of the British and yet their involvement in “running the show” far outweighs their demographic ratio. This is wrong. People will say – “Jews are smart” whereas I say wrong, Jews in positions of power make sure that other Jews remain “in the family business” and in power.
    I do not attribute this solely to Jews and of course I mean those Jews who tend to follow the Talmud and the Zionists, although I can say that I’m sure there are Zionists, ignorant much of what it’s really all about and are not Talmud worshipers who seek to totally control society and look upon the Goy as nothing more than cattle. I realise that there are societies such as the Bilderbergers, the Freemasons, the Illuminati etc who are all playing a part in total control of society, the creation of a one world government and a one world bank.
    This email will no doubt come as a shock to you but above all, in everything I write, I always seek the truth and my history, regarding Judaism has sadly been nothing but lie upon lie. I understand why the myth of the Holocaust (although not denying that Hitler didn’t persecute Jews) was created and that was in order to give Jews protection status, to all the words “anti semitism” to be used whenever Jewry was criticised or discussion was sought on it. It is on a par with the word racist (ironically also penned by a Jew – Trotsky in his attack on the Slavic peoples) which is used to clamp down on any discussion on immigration to the West, one of the tools being used to destroy our culture.
    I have read much on why society is the way it is, why it’s broken and sadly it’s led me to uncover truths many people would not have liked me to uncover.
    I presume that our relationship will end after this email Mike, but I cannot support lies and certainly not Israel, which has been one of the main reasons for the Zionist control of the western civilistion, throwing it into many wars. I have to say that Israel is an abomination on the face of this earth and what is happening there, to the Palestinian people, when one understands history is truly a sad situation altogether. The western media is nothing but a propaganda machine on behalf of world Jewry as it’s controlled by Jews, hence the name the “the Jewsmedia.” Everything in life becomes far more understandable when one realises who’s pulling the strings and for what purpose.
    Again, I do not hate Jews, but I know that the people of the western civilisation have been lied to and duped by Jews, as they’ve sought to take control over our very lives and will do so unless people wake up to this deadly threat against our liberties and freedoms. I know there are many Jews who want to live in their birth countries and get on with being Jewish, working and living by their Torah, but I also know, more than ever that there are Jews, who seek to recreate Zion, live like Lords while everyone else are merely serfs, totally controlled by the wealthy, elite Jews who have been pushing the buttons for hundreds of years.
    We will disagree on much from now on Mike, for I am not Jewish. However being a Celt it is certain that we are in fact one of the 12 sons of Israel and thus like the sons of Juddah are Israelites also. I simply despise those who follow the Talmud, as it’s as despicable on life as the Koran and wishes of Muhammad, hence why I believe that the two are inextricably linked to one another and part of the same Lucifarian blood cult.
    I wish you well Mike and hope you have a successful life, but I cannot accept the destruction of my homeland, which has been down to the meddling of many powerful members of Jewry. There is just too much coincidence to be just chance and sadly, when our newspapers are controlled by powerful corporations, themselves controlled by powerful Jews then propaganda used to brainwash the ignorant will continue. I think many Jews, throughout history have a lot to answer for and that is the destruction of the western civilisation.
    Best wishes
    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

    The following morning (March 21), I emailed Winston as follows:

    Winston,
    I am shocked. And saddened. That you have been taken in.
    I urge you not to follow this path, and would be happy to try and put you in contact with good and honest people who will tell you why it would be utterly wrong and misguided for you to do so.
    I am no longer a strictly-practising Jew, but I lived that life and know that all of what you say is based on evil, hateful lies and propaganda.
    As someone who I got to know a little, I wish you would reconsider, and would be happy to maintain our dialogue if your mind is still open to it.
    I have no agenda, other than to tell you what I know.
    I am back in the UK from tomorrow for a week and a half. If you are in London, I would be happy to meet you for a drink and a chat.
    Mike

    I received the following reply, that same evening:

    Mike,
    From the research I’ve done, the only propaganda that I’ve seen has been from the Jewish to the non Jewish. There is just far too much information that proves contrary to what has been said regarding my history.
    Remember also that I said “part of Jewry” not all of Jewry. Remember that I said the true sons and daughters of Juddah, one of the twelve children of Israel. I am not going to be blatantly ignorant to lump all those of the Jewish faith together but really Mike, you being Jewish must know that the Talmud says pretty horrible things regarding Christians?
    For example (although not in the Talmud, but no doubt the perpetrators worshiped it) have you ever heard of the story of little Saint Hugh of Lincoln? It was through research that I found this story, part of my ancestry that I was never, ever taught. It was the real reason why the Jewish people were expelled from the UK, which was in the early 13th century. The story is about a group of Jews who needed a blood sacrifice, before Purim and specifically a Christian. They managed to get this young boy and killed him. However very odd events happened afterwards. This day was then a traditional day in the English calendar to be celebrated.
    This above story, distinguishes quite clearly that some Jews were diverted from the path of true Judaism and thus followed the cult of the Talmud. This is what I see as based on evil.
    There is just too much coincidence, especially on world affairs and what’s happened throughout time that clearly points to a faction within Jewry, a very powerful faction that seeks to manipulate world life. The history behind the creation of Israel is also something I’ve begun to find more and more, of what I’m not really beginning to like.
    I expected a reply like this Mike from you although I know you to be a decent enough person not to attack me for it. I will be studying this more and more. Remember all I want is the truth and the truth has been hidden for a long time.
    Like I said, I do not believe ALL JEWRY is corrupt, far from it, but there certainly is a part of Jewry that is very much so and vey much pulling the strings of Western society and trying to the rest of the world.
    I know that you won’t see things from my side because you’re Jewish, but in my journey, I’ve uncovered many things that also obliterate much of my own history and proud views on Scotland. All that I’ve been taught is not as it seems.
    The best way really for all of us, in the West, to remove this “worry” we have of Judaism is to put all of the cards on the table and debate what we currently know and bring up evidence that is not there for the public to view.
    Mike, 6 million Jews were not murdered by Hitler’s regime. That’s a myth, there is much evidence to prove that now overwhelmingly, not just the fact that the plaque outside Auschwitz was changed from 4 million to 1.5 million Jews died here in 1995, but the very fact that to burn 6 million bodies, as we have been led to believe, the Germans would still be doing that to this very day!
    The problem here is that anyone who should try to bring up any evidence to say contrary to history and the viewpoint we’ve been led to believe is instantly attacked, sullied, lambasted and in some cases arrested and imprisoned – David Irving and recently the Heretical Two, for the Holohoax, Stephen Whittle and Simon Shepperd.
    Jon Bryant, stated something very poignant. He said that:
    “The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them — except force.”
    It would be far more beneficial for a world debate between Jewry and non Jewry on Jewry, especially the Holocaust. This is the only subject in the West that is not discussed, which I personally find despicable. I find the very fact that people are attacked and jailed for having an alternative view (with evidence to prove otherwise) utterly abhorrent, but more so the very fact that ignorant people choose to jump on the bandwagon and not allow them freedom of speech the bastion of the western civilisation.
    This is not about hateful lies and propaganda, because these “hateful lies and propaganda have never been allowed to have been challenged.” We have removed logical debate and in its place put emotive debate.
    I would like to implicitly point out to you Mike that I DO NOT HATE JEWS as is the common reaction to anyone who seeks the truth on Judaism. The immediate reaction of Jewish people, but more importantly Jewish bodies, especially the Anti Defamation League is to attack, pillory, castigate, lambaste and utterly destroy people who disagree with the status quo on what we’ve been told.
    I also want it to be known clearly that I DO BELIEVE THAT HITLER AND THE NAZIS PERSECUTED THE JEWS in WW2, although not 6 million of them as we are led to believe. There were far more allied troops and non Jewish civilians who also ended up in concentration camps, yet this fact is overshadowed by the persecution of the Jews.
    Need I not remind you as well Mike that there are many Jews who also take my side of the story. Norman Finkelstein, is a prominent Jew who also disagrees with the story on the Holocaust. There are more. The evidence is now mounting to prove that the people of the West have been seriously lied to about history. This of course is something that greatly worries the NWO, because once history is proved false (and it will be) their walls will come crashing down like a House of Cards and the true story will come out, driving people into such anger and rage, the world will never have seen anything like it.
    Mike, the Jewish people have been kept as much in the dark about all of this as anyone else. Worse still, the bankers/financiers and of course Zionists many believe actually created WW2 and deliberately helped Hitler persecute Jews, so as to create the “anti semitism” rules of today, giving protection to the “bad Jews” as they continue to manipulate the western civilisation.
    I will gladly continue debate with you Mike, I bear you or any other “good” Jew no ill whatsoever, but I cannot turn away from information that is proving to be truer than the stories we currently have. I respect you as a person, but I cannot agree in Israel, as it has been illegally formed, worse still, my own people the British were manipulated into creating it in the first place.
    I am a truth seeker Mike. My life is all about honesty as I truly cannot live with deceit. The more I read, the more I realise we’ve been deceived and for good reason. This I cannot accept and take as the truth. I do not simply read an article and then say “Wow, this is the truth, all else is wrong.” I dissect it, look for flaws and inadequacies. If I find none and more importantly it proves that the original story we have is false then it can only therefore be true. As Sherlock Holmes said: “once you’ve eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable must be the truth.”
    This journey is uncovering more and more, of a world that we’ve been living in that’s been completely and utterly manipulated by a small group of people, in very elite positions within society. As I said, this is not just about a small “elite body of Jews” but about an elite body of non Jews who seek total control over the world so they can live like Kings and Queens of old in total splendour. The people on this planet, many haven’t a clue what’s going on because they’re fed a daily diet of propaganda and rubbish via the media. Many are ignorant. I no longer watch the television but choose to educate myself, not allowing myself to be reprogrammed, getting caught up in celebrity mush, that will not benefit my life regardless.
    Regarding posting the letter, it’s entirely up to you Mike. I believe in freedom of though, opinion and speech and if this gets things out into an open debate, open logical, not emotive attacking closing down debate speech then I’m all for it. I would prefer that we keep these emails personal, as I will write an article on my blog discussing much of what I’ve spoken to you about. Lastly Mike, I think there are many Jews, totally oblivius to much of what I’ve said, many conditioned into accepting lies in their lives as the people of the West have also. I truly believe that the West is preparing for war against the Muslim world, in order to reign it in under a one world bank and government. I find this terribly worrying and I also believe that I have a moral duty to let the people know about it, so as they can act against it, maintaining liberty and of course freedom.
    Best wishes
    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

    I immediately (on March 21) requested Winston’s permission to publish our email exchange. Having received no response, I sent him a reminder on Tuesday, receiving the following yesterday (Thursday) afternoon:

    Mike,
    You can do whatever you please. I just happen to keep emails between people private as they should be.
    Best wishes
    Winston the Smithy
    The Destruction of Britain

    I have interpreted Winston’s “You can do whatever you please” liberally, publishing in the ‘public’ interest of melchett mike readers who got involved in the original debate with him (above).

    And, to those of you of such a disposition, yes, you can now tell me “We told you so!”

  85. Daniel Marks

    I heard once of a man who arrives home unexpectedly at noon to find his wife in bed with the neighbor. The story relates that he was shocked, but he wasn’t surprised.
    Reading everything that Winston wrote I guess I too am shocked. It’s always shocking to hear such look pure evil in the eyes. However, who can be shocked? We all knew, including you, exactly what would happen.

    Winston writes in a sensitive way, almost apologizing at times for his shockingly anti-Semitic views. The filth he spews about a world Jewish conspiracy seems so dated almost comical that it’s easy to forget for a moment that this was the ideology that murdered one third of our people.

    Maybe it’s because Holocaust Day is close, but I for one will not ever bring myself to engage a Holocaust denier in debate. I do not deny his right to express his opinion, on the contrary I think your publishing of his words was justified and even important, but I do not believe that it should be debated. Are we to bring diaries or photographs or eye witness reports of our families or confessions of Nazis only to hear that these were exaggerations or lies? Perhaps we should offer the Nazi to compromise on three million?

    Those who wish to argue with Winston, let them do so. I have nothing against him personally, he may even be a nice guy, but like any Nazi if I catch him alone and I have a baseball bat, I’ll break his skull.

  86. Nick Kopaloff

    Winston,

    Your candor is admirable and your quest for truth, which does not seem to be fuelled by a predetermined agenda, is no less honorable. But you are a confused idiot and your metamorphosis smacks of bipolar instability suggesting a history of serious mental health issues. And to think a year ago we were going to meet over an honest pint in London.
    Notwithstanding my sarcasm, I genuinely wish you better.

    But ironically I find myself agreeing with some of your findings. Like Norman F, I dislike the “Hollywoodisation” of the Holocaust.
    And I consider the Holocaust reparations deal signed between Adenauer and Ben Gurion to be utterly reprehensible though completely understandable.
    Until their deaths, my mother and grandmother were both recipients of a German Holocaust survivor pension. They were forced to leave their home in then Czechoslovakia and had about half their family wiped off the face of the planet in your Holocaust Hoax. My grandmother used to show me a picture of her as a young girl with about 12 friends. Only her and Bertha survived the war. All the others perished.

    I hold classes in an old-age home where many survivors contrive the most shocking stories about the annihilation of their own families and relive their personal accounts in Auschwitz and in other holiday camps. They somehow still manage to shed crocodile tears in their dramatic recollections.

    It is decent of you to concede that Hitler did not like the Jews. It shows you are a serious scholar of history.

    I am relieved that you do not hold all Jews responsible for the evils of the world today. But there are some Jews, (who are said to sprout horns at night), who control the international media and the world banking systems and relentlessly try to bring about the downfall of western civilization with their promotion of multi-cultural liberalism and the forced immigration of poor third worlders into the centers of the Christendom.
    I wish that some of your “Protocol” conspiracy garbage contained at least a smidgen of accuracy. The demographically disproportionate power of Jews is incontrovertible, but if they were united in any type of defined goal then I reckon a State of Israel wider that a string of spaghetti with some strategic depth and secure borders would have been achieved long ago – and Tottenham would have won the Champion’s League.

    Bottom line is that you are talking crap and your have bought into the lowest form of hate libel that certainly compromises your already twisted intellect.

    But your due diligence does you credit as you refer to the terrible blood sucking Talmudic Jews who are said to have killed young Hugh of Lincoln in 1255.
    Some sources claim Jews used the boy’s blood for their cannibalistic Passover ritual, while others claim Hugh was crucified to mock the death of Christ.
    In typical medieval Christian jurisprudence, some 20 Jews were tortured before one confessed to his murder and then they were all executed; and a further 80 Jews were incarcerated. This event paved the way for the Jewish expulsion from England in 1290.

    The intellectually-challenged like Winston can buy into this kind of crap. Perhaps he also likes the many miracles that the Catholic church have concocted surrounding Hugh’s death – such as the earth refusing to cover the lad’s body and spitting him out to provide evidence of the homicide. What with his tragic death and all the miracles, the Catholic Church even posthumously bestowed Sainthood on the young boy– bless him.

    It has been many years since I last seriously studied the Talmud, but to the best of my knowledge, Jews are forbidden to drink any blood, let alone the blood of Christians. But if 70 Rabbis convene in a special court of law they could make an exception in the case of Winston.

    Daniel, is that a baseball bat in your pocket or are you just pleased to see Winston?

    To that honest pint we never had – I’ll drink to that – Cheers.

  87. Daniel, your fantasy baseball-batting of Nazis brings to mind Allan Felix (Woody Allen’s character) in Play It Again, Sam:

    “Some guys were getting tough with Julie. I had to teach them a lesson . . . I snapped my chin down onto some guy’s fist and hit another one in the knee with my nose.”

    Now, perhaps I am giving him too much credit (and which he doesn’t deserve), but . . . .

    To me, Winston comes across less the constitutional (and that is the key word) anti-Semite and Holocaust denier, and more akin to some of the impressionable and/or feeble-minded twenty-somethings I once knew who got “Aished” by charismatic – though, ultimately, intellectually dishonest – Rabbis peddling supposed “codes”, and whose wives served up tasty Friday night dinners.

    That is, if he has not been stringing us along from the very beginning . . .

  88. Daniel Marks

    For the first time I find myself agreeing with almost everything Mike and Nick have said.

    I was indeed thinking of Woody Allen who in one of his movies when told that a friend was trying to combat Nazism using satire said:

    “Satire is great, but for Nazis you use baseball bats and broken bottles.”

    I also agree with Nick that Winston is without doubt a very disturbed individual and much of what he said is doubtless due to all kinds of chemical imbalances. However, Hitler too was mentally ill and in an Israeli court would probably have been deemed unfit to stand trial, but that didn’t stop him from causing indescribable suffering.

    I’m not overly worried about the danger Winston poses but all the same one has to draw the line somewhere and while I will not engage a holocaust-denier in debate, I’ll be happy to question the wisdom and criticize others who do so.

    Incidentally, I even find myself in agreement with Winnie on one matter and without any expertise on the subject, I also have a feeling that Hollywood is disproportionately controlled by Jews. Unfortunately, however, I can’t think of any pro-Israel movies they’ve made since Exodus (1960) and Cast a Giant Shadow (1966). To me they are for the most part a bunch of assimilating left-wingers who often seem to be causing us more harm than good.

    The good news is that Winston was equally certain about all kinds of other nonsense a year ago, so who knows? Give him six months and he may have converted to Judaism, be wearing black, trying to persuade Mike to lay his new phylacteries.

    Finally, on a serious note, regarding the Jewish bankers plot to take over the world, does anyone know how I could get in on it? I’ve been trying to join the scheme for years now, and have reached the sad conclusion that either it doesn’t exist, or all my greedy fellow Jewish brothers are leaving me out in the cold. It hardly seems fair!

  89. Daniel, “Holocaust denier” sounds a bit grand for what Winston is (at this early stage, at least).

    Is it insane that I would still rather have a pint with Winnie than Gertie?

    Anyway, how about starting your own “Jewish wankers’ plot”? 😉

  90. Daniel Marks

    If that’s my choice, I’ll drink alone.

    We had some Christians with us for seder night and I explained to them that we spill wine for the plagues because we never celebrate in the suffering, even of our enemies.

    Amichai, my eldest, told them that this wine spilling was also one of the reasons for blood libels, which apparently Winnie wishes to revise.

    I guess I prefer Winnie too in a way. At least, with his latest thoroughly researched 2010 version of fascism he’s more honest about his anti-Semitism than Gertie. All that does nothing to detract from my wish to break his skull, guess that would have to be after the drink.

    Okay, I’m off to see Inglorious Basterds.

  91. I read that the BNP has a Jewish councillor. Is this true?

  92. i dare you all try take over england, yoiu wont even have a chance enaldn have the most powerful and treained armies in the world.

  93. Daniel Marks

    Is that you Gamil?

  94. If there is anything that gives me confidence about Israel’s continued survival, it is the collective IQ of our enemies.

    Sorry, booby, you were saying . . . ?!

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